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New Guy needs some input on Ultegra front deralliuer shifts(9 posts)

New Guy needs some input on Ultegra front deralliuer shiftsLKDog
Aug 11, 2003 8:35 AM
Just got a Lemond Zurich that fits me great thanks to some great advice from many folks on this forum.
Love the bike and the ride and I got a good deal from a LBS on a 2002 model.

I have now graduated from an old downtube shifter double crank, to the Ultegra triple on the Lemond-all new to me.

The rear derailluer shifts smoothly whether on the big/middle/small chainring.

When I shift chainrings, it does great going from big to middle, or middle to small.

When I go from small chainring to middle-I have lots of trouble. I know that this is new to me and probably operator error, but I have had the chain come off a couple times.

Took it back in to be adjusted after one day at the LBS, and they did some tweaking. Real nice guys and good service.
They thought it seemed good to go.

Still having trouble moving from the small chainring to the middle. Is there a technique involved here? Sometimes it goes from the small all the way to the big ring. Sometimes it just doesn't go. The chain came off again on the ride home from the LBS. Yes, I am kind of a dumbass at this point :)

Thanks for any advice.
re: New Guy needs some input on Ultegra front deralliuer shiftsChen2
Aug 11, 2003 10:01 AM
There are two intermediate click stops (detents) on your Ultegra triple. Typically you will need to go to the second detent when shifting from the granny to the middle ring. The two intermediate detents are to help with timming the front derailleur. You may need to shift back to the first intermediate detent depending on which side of the cassette your chain is on.
You probably also have friction trimming that allows you to bump the deraileur over as much as 5mm. There is a description of this at the Shimano European web site.
~Al
re: New Guy needs some input on Ultegra front deralliuer shiftsLKDog
Aug 11, 2003 10:27 AM
Al -
I will experiment some more this evening with it.
Thanks for the referral for info.
The click stops are something that I am not aware of and will see if I notice them.
--Tony
re: New Guy needs some input on Ultegra front deralliuer shiftsalmccm
Aug 11, 2003 1:01 PM
I had the same problem with the chain falling off going from small to middle with my wife's bike. The bike was shifting perfectly on the workstand but would drop the chain if she was on a big cog in back and went from small to middle ring in front.

If I remember correctly I tightened the low gear limit screw a little bit. I may have also adjusted the barrel adjuster a bit. I would adjust it then take it out for a ride over a hill to test it. I think I ended up adjusting it twice before I got it perfect.

If you don't want to do it yourself then have the LBS make the adjustment while you are there (it takes about 10 seconds) and take it out for a ride going through all the gears a few times. You really need to ride it to check out the adjustments because it shifts so much differently on the road than on the stand.
re: New Guy needs some input on Ultegra front deralliuer shiftsLKDog
Aug 11, 2003 1:25 PM
Yes, the Mechanic ran it through some adjustments on the stand and I just hit the road then.
Went over the first big hill and tried to get back to the middle chainring and it came off.
I have to take it in for some pedals later this week.
I will do a test ride before I leave this time.
Thanks for the info.
Pedalsalmccm
Aug 11, 2003 3:15 PM
I don't know what kind of pedals you're planning to get but the Shimano SPD-SL pedals are great. I have the Ultegra (R600) version and I really like them. I had Looks but I kept accidentally disengaging, I had problems disengaging when I wanted to and the cleats were awful if you had to walk in them.accidentally disengage (and I have mine on almost the loosest setting possible) and it's very easy to disengage when you want to.
PedalsLKDog
Aug 11, 2003 7:11 PM
Looking for something basic and easy to use.
My first clip on pedals.
The LBS suggested some cheaper Shimano pedals that he said a lot of guys used on road bikes.
I forget the model. They are two sided and used on Mountain bikes a lot. They have the whole line of Shimano and Look, etc.
I just want something that works and I can get in and out of without falling over:)
Pedalsalmccm
Aug 12, 2003 10:32 AM
I'm certainly not an expert but I tried Look 206 (they came with the bike the I had bought used) and had the problems I mentioned above (clipping out when I didn't want to, not being able to clip out when I wanted to, hard to walk on the cleats) and I tried some SPD (mountain bike type) pedals a friend loaned me. The SPD pedals will let you wear mountain bike type shoes where you can recess the cleat and it will be easy to walk in but I didn't like the feel of the connection to the pedal and I could pull out occasionally.

After reading some reviews and seeing a picture of a shoe with the cleat installed I decided to try the SPD-SL. I got a good deal on eBay, put them on and they have been great from day one. If you buy them from an LBS and have to pay full retail you might see if they will install the cleats for you. It takes a little fussing to get them aligned right (that comment is not limited to SPD-SL cleats) and depending on the shoe and the placement you have to be careful to not screw the cleats in too tightly. I had the right one screwed down a little too tightly and it wouldn't lock into the pedal (even so I had fewer unexpected pullouts than I had with the Looks or SPD pedals). After talking with Shimano I figured out what the problem was, loosened the screws about 1/2 turn and everything has been fine since. I also tightened the screw holding the clamp onto the right pedal. Someone here posted that he found that screw loose on his pedal and sure enough it was loose on mine (the left one was fine). It is very easy to walk with these cleats on you shoes. You can even walk on hardwood floors without inflicting damage to the floors or yourself.

I don't race and have no intention of racing (too old, too slow) so I thought the Ultegra version of the pedals were fine. For an extra $80-100 you can get the Dura-Ace version which will be a little lighter, a slightly different look and probably better bearings.

Good luck with whatever you decide to try. Find a soft spot for your first few falls (when you forget to click out) and don't extend your arm when you fall, keep it close to your side.
Second the SPD-SL'sSteve Young
Aug 12, 2003 7:15 AM
I've been on mine for a few months now. It took a couple of weeks to get used to the free float but after that they are great.

The float gives plenty of opportunity for your knees to find a neutral position without making it too difficult to unclip and I have had no problems with involuntary disengagement(although I've probably jinxed myself now..:)

Steve