|anyone know price of new DA||moschika|
Jul 24, 2003 4:57 PM
|anyone know the price the new DA stuff will be? will it be about the same as the current DA stuff, then making the the 9-speed stuff come down in price because of this?|
|Who could possibly know this yet?||russw19|
Jul 24, 2003 6:47 PM
|Oh come on man, who here do you really think can answer this question? Nobody here has any damn clue if Shimano is going to go for Campy's jugular and drop the price of Dura-Ace 10 by $300 or jack it up by $200. Nobody here has had the opportunity to purchase it, so nobody can answer this.
I am not trying to dog you on your question, but you have to know that no one has bought this stuff yet... so why ask this? Ask it in September or October when the stuff hits the market. This is like me asking what the new flavor of Ben And Jerry's Ice Cream will be in 2007. It's impossible to answer that.
I seriously can not wait until this stuff comes out... not so I can get it, but so all the foolish speculation and wondering will be over. Don't get me wrong, I am as curious as the next guy about it, but I think asking what it's price will be is getting a bit ahead of yourself.
Sorry for the rant,
|Who could possibly know this yet?||litesp|
Jul 24, 2003 9:54 PM
|Not a stupid question. He wanted to know and asked the question. Who knows, with all the insightful people on this forum, someone may have an idea (apparently neither you or I).
If you can't offer any answers why bother to reply. Perhaps everyone needs to get your approval or worthiness before posting their message. Some of us live in the USA.
|Dude, lighen up...||OwenMeany|
Jul 25, 2003 6:09 AM
|Who are you to say that everyone that reads/posts on this board does not know the pricing...|
|Russ hasnt a clue||ekdave|
Jul 25, 2003 12:44 PM
|LOTS of folks get pre-release pricing info. How the heck do you think bike manufacturers spec component packages before the stuff is avail to them.....which is WAY ahead of when its available to the public for resale.
Not to mention all the folks/shops on Shimano's direct-buy program list. "Shimano-Direct" is the official name.
For example, we had 2003 XTR pricing 3 months before it hit local bike shops.
Inc conclusion, going on a rant is perfectly acceptable, but only if you truly know what the F&^% you are talking about.
|If I have no clue.. why weren't you able to answer the question then?||russw19|
Jul 25, 2003 6:01 PM
|If I am so freaking clueless, then how about you and litesp and OwenMeany tell me EXACTLY how much will 2004 Dura-Ace cost! You don't have any freaking idea, do you?
No, you don't. Why, because it's still in prototype testing phase at this particular point in it's product development. How do I know that? Simple.. I have a friend who works at Shimano... they don't even know yet if the exact product that is being field tested in the Tour right now is the same thing that will go to market in October. That's why it's being tested right now. I work for a shop and none of our distributors or reps have seen it yet and won't until the end of August. Shimano won't even answer these questions yet for OEM dealers and wholesalers because they are not 100% sure if the product they are testing is what they will take to market.
Again, not to dog on the initial question (you all obviously got your panties in a knot because someone told you what you didn't want to hear) and I never said it was a stupid question, just that it is unanswerable at this time.
The thing is that this question comes up once a week and the answer still hasn't changed... and I am willing to bet that I am not the only one tired of all the 2004 Dura-Ace speculation questions... as of right now, it's all speculation.
But if you guys are so all knowing and I am so clueless, why don't you prove me wrong and tell the board how much it will cost and what date it will be released to the public. I wasn't being a prick (not deliberatly at least) in my reply to moschika about this.. I told him the truth.. nobody knows if Shimano will price this lower than last year's Dura-Ace just to mess with Campy... or if it will go up a bunch. I am willing to speculate it's the latter, but Shimano want's total domination of the cycling world, dropping the price would help them get it. Am I saying that's what will happen, no. But none of us will really know until the 1st week of September at the earliest and more like mid October.
|Dude, put a seat on your post before you ride!||moschika|
Jul 25, 2003 3:24 PM
|just cuz you don't know doesn't mean others who happen across this board won't.
i'm often surprised by the amount of info that can be gleaned from these boards.
i was just wondering if other people (obviously not you) had some clue as to what they may have heard this new gruppo costing.
maybe no one knows, i don't, that's why i asked.
|Dude, put a seat on your post before you ride!||russw19|
Jul 25, 2003 5:48 PM
|Pull your panties out of a knot and go back and read what I posted. I never said your question was stupid.. but no one here knows the actual answer... in another reply I will tell you exactly and precisely why.
I said it in my original reply to you and I will say it again... not to dog on your question, but at THIS TIME, it is not answerable. Try asking agian in September or October.
|re: anyone know price of new DA||divve|
Jul 25, 2003 12:31 AM
|My guess it will be comparably priced to XTR 03...that's without taking the "fugly" factor into account...many might jump ship and decide to go with Record instead this time round, which in turn will put pressure on DA 04 pricing.|
|already did jump ship, but||weiwentg|
Jul 25, 2003 6:36 PM
|'04 Record and Chorus are probably going to take a big, BIG jump up in price (I hope I am wrong, maybe Campy will drop the prices to mess with Shimano!) with the addition of all the carbon bits.
'03 XTR is comparably priced to Record, isn't it?
|already did jump ship, but||divve|
Jul 25, 2003 11:15 PM
|It depends on which part of 03 XTR you're refering to. The rear derailleur and cassette for instance are much cheaper than Record. On the other hand the STI + hydraulic brake system is pretty pricey. The cranks I guess are quite expensive, but the BB is integrated. For the whole disc system excluding hubs it's about $12-1300, v-brake system is about $200 less. Standard Record on the other hand you can get for around $1050 and if you want the carbon cranks add another $450 or so.
Regarding 04 Record, I'm not sure it's all that sound from a mechanical perspective. Specifically, the carbon cages for the the rear derailleur pulleys and the front derailleur. Undoubtedly they're aware of it and probably will line the inside with metal or whatever, it still sounds like a half asses design to me tho, ie, let's use carbon for the sake of using it.
BTW, the 03 XTR shifters feel much nicer than the current DA. If the new DA "clicks" as nice it will be a good improvement compared to the mushy "plastic" feel it has currently.
|I know. I know.||Atombomber|
Jul 25, 2003 7:20 PM
|The new 2004 Dura-Ace will cost more than Sora and less than a Ferrari F50.|
|humbled by my peers!||russw19|
Jul 26, 2003 1:05 AM
|Well damn, I was wrong! Someone does know! ;-)