Jul 13, 2003 5:46 PM
|I'm currently riding American Classic 420's (24/20) on my race bike. What clincher wheelset would improve on these in terms of either/or/and weight and lower spoke count. I'm 180lbs.
Sewups aren't an option for me as local roads are a bit poor.
|re: Wheelset Upgrade.||russw19|
Jul 13, 2003 6:03 PM
|Not much. What is it that these wheels don't provide you that you think another set would? Outside of the improvement in ride quality from tubulars, what aspect are you missing from these wheels? Are you having the freehub body problems that some people have? If not, then why upgrade? These wheels are some of the best made. They are strong, light as all heck, and fairly aero. How are yours built? Where they built to your size and riding specs? If so, they probably got the spoke count right.. as for weight.. if you are 180 and these aren't light enough for you, then you have unreal expectations as to what you should expect from your wheels. Sure you can get a pair of Lew Sydneys or Lightwieght or ADA's, but you are too big for them, and they will set you back a few grand each. You could consider the 1400 gram Campy Hyperion, but you are too big for those and I am willing to bet your American Classics are less than 1600 grams anyways. Mine are and they are the beefiest American Classic makes, so I am sure unless you have yours built like mine, they are lighter. (BTW, mine are Bladed 20F, 24R, and that's the toughest build they have...)
However, all three wheels I mentioned above are out of the question for you by your own standards because they are all tubulars.
One thing that strikes me about your post is this... and please don't take this the wrong way, my whole reply to you is just meant to be constructive.. nothing more..
But if you are 180 pounds, why do you want lower spoke counts? There is a finite point where you need to balance weight and strength.. at your size, you really should worry about strength over weight of your wheels.
Just trying to help....
|Not better, but different.||PaulNYC|
Jul 13, 2003 8:32 PM
|Try something with a lighter rim, like the AC 350, or the IRD Cadence. That could feel different. I doubt I could tell over your wheels though.|
Jul 14, 2003 12:39 PM
|Quite a few people bag Am Clasic wheels, so I was just asking out of curiosity. I'm really happy with the wheels. I think all up they're about 1385g which is good. They were made specifically for my weight and the poor roads out in New Zealand. I've never had a problem with them.
My bearings are sounding a bit gritty and need attention, but apart from that no issues.
This all really came about because I'm currently ridning a custom built foco frame, with full record, Am Classics, a cinelli grammo etc etc. I was just thinking how lucky I was to have the best of everything, which got me to wondering what else was out there........not that I'd ever intend trying to upgrade what I've got!!!
|re: Just Curiosity.||MisterX|
Jul 17, 2003 5:24 AM
|DannyBoy, I think the people bagging the AC stuff and other brands for that matter, are either competitors to their product, or idiots. Everytime I read a post in this forum, I apply a filter. Most of the stuff posted to this forum is complete trash, with about 10% being useful content. I usually rely on 3rd party reviews by websites such as cyclingnews.com to help me with purchasing decisions.|
|re: Just Curiosity.||litesp|
Jul 18, 2003 2:35 PM
|I actually feel the opposite about this forum. More than 90% is good stuff. Even though I've been in this industry for a long time, I still learn new stuff every day. There are many experienced individuals from all walks of life and experiences both posting their knowledge or trying to get some new info. I take 3rd party product reviews from with a grain of salt. Most reviewers don't risk loss of advertisers or litigation by slamming companies or products even if they suck. I prefer product reviews from roadbikereview.com because it typically comes from people who pay hard earned money for products. The most reliable results are those with 10 or more reviews. I will read the lowest scores first to see if the user has a ligitamate gripe or are just inexperienced consumers. I treat the highest scores with the same scrutiny. In the end I make an informed decision.
You seem to have a real hard-on trying to agressively defend AC stuff. What's you affiliation with them?
10% of the posts which are crap are by idiots, and you're not part of the majority.