|any body have durability issues with Vittoria open corsa cx?||ocbuckeye|
Jul 7, 2003 11:03 AM
|I have killed two of these in 3 rides, the first was a quick stop/skid to avoid a crash in a crit that chewed the tread all of the way through the casing, the second was a 1/2 inch cut also all of the way through the casing on the brand new replacement for the one that died a few days before. is this my bad luck or are these not very durable?|
|re: any body have durability issues with Vittoria open corsa cx?||PaulCL|
Jul 7, 2003 11:53 AM
|They are not very durable tires, but you've had some bad, bad luck. My set usually lasts about 2000+ miles each. I recently pitched a tire (actually saved it for winter roller time) that got a 1/4" cut all the way through it. These are soft tread tires. They ride great, but at a price.
I've been using them for years, but am looking around for another brand. These tires are too expensive to only last 2000 miles. IMHO.
Any suggestions?? Paul
P.S. I need or want a tire in yellow/black tread.
|Read the reviews here - you aren't alone, my friend.||jw25|
Jul 8, 2003 8:58 AM
|The Open Corsa uses a very, very soft rubber, and despite what they say about the kevlar fibers in it, it wears fast. It's also about as sticky a tire as you'll find, and the ride quality is very, very nice.
For replacements, the Veloflex Pave is made in the Italian Vittoria factory (which no longer makes Vittorias-they're all Thai now), and is supposed to be a very nice ride, but still a little fragile. The Gommitalia Targa is pretty much the same tire as the Pave, but a little more durable, according to the reviews.
I haven't put time on either of these, and limited miles on Open Corsas - saving them for races. I've trained on Rubino Pros, Tecno Pros, Hutchinson Reflexes, Axial Pros, Conti GP 3000s, and Pariba Pro-Criteriums.
Of these, the Pro-Criterium, if you can find them, are very very nice. Made by Vredestein, but they use a lighter casing, and ride very very nice. Same feel as the Open Corsa. I had no durability issues, even on rough roads and some hardpack dirt roads. I'm running a set of Pro-Prologues on my TT bike, and in 200 miles, and hitting rocks and some glass, they've got no damage whatsoever. Ebay is about the only place to find them, but it means they're awfully affordable.
The Rubino and Tecno Pro (not the Tecno sport, which is a whole other animal) are nice, not the same ride, but very durable, with the Tecno being nice and sticky without wearing fast. Not sure what rubber they're using, but it might be closer to the Evo stuff. The Rubinos use a hard rubber, which wears amazingly well, but doesn't have the same sticky feel. Good for training, but not so much racing.
Axial Pros are similar to the Rubino, but they seem more fragile. I've seen a few die early due to casing cuts, and my own have a few cuts in the tread. Not full depth, but I tried to baby them. They wear well, though, if you can avoid road debris.
GP 3000s - I took a few rides to warm up to these, as they ride dead due to so many layers of casing. It makes them strong, but removes some liveliness. I weigh 150 lbs, and never run over 100 psi in my 23's, or else they just feel awful. Corner well, good in the wet, durable, though the rear will wear down fast and square off early. The tread's thick enough to keep riding them for some time, but it's disturbing to watch them wear from ride to ride. They're fairly cheap, though, and very easy to find on sale.
I like the Hutchinson Reflexes, they're lively, sticky, great in the wet, but they are susceptible to cuts. I retiredthe rear early after I got a full-width cut after a few hundred miles. It didn't touch the casing, but it left a big gap for the next piece to cut through, and I didn't trust it. The front is going strong, though.
Whew, I think that's everything. I've tried some cheaper tires, but you tend to get what you pay for, and I'd rather trust my rubber than worry going into a fast descent. Tires are cheap, compared to surgery, and swapping them out feeds my need to try new things (did you notice I'm a tire junkie?)
I haven't tried the Open Evo's yet, but if you believe the ad copy, they're more durable. Reviews have mentioned cracks and early failure, though, so maybe they aren't quite ready yet. Still looking for the holy grail - light, fast, sticky, and bulletproof. Anybody?
|Read the reviews here - you aren't alone, my friend.||ocbuckeye|
Jul 8, 2003 11:02 AM
|How long has it been since the vittorias were made in Italy? I've used the open corsa cx's in the past and always had good luck with them, unti this time around. I've been running the wire bead rubinos for the last couple of years with no flats or other problems. I haven't seen the replacement for the open corsa cx but that would explain why they're on sale at supergo for $35. I'm still tempted though to buy another to match my front. Thanks for the info.|
Jul 8, 2003 11:41 AM
|Got about 2K before I sliced them beyond useable. They stick like glue, but I did have my share of flats; more than with standard non-kevlars like Michelins. Love the handling, disliked the durability
Trying Hutchinson carbons now, nothing remarkable after 100miles, but they work and weren't too expensive.
|Since 2000, at least.||jw25|
Jul 10, 2003 6:08 AM
|but possibly before, according to a report on Veloflex's website - http://www.veloflextires.com/veloflex_info.htm
Veloflex tires are made in the old Vittoria factory in Italy, by people who worked for Vittoria before they moved to Thailand. Veloflexes aren't Vittorias, but the construction is similar.
That said, all the Vittorias I've used have been Thai, and aside from the Open Corsa problem, which I think is directly related to the rubber durometer, they've been fine tires.
The replacement is the Open Corsa EVO, which comes in 3 models. The CX uses the same knurled side tread, the KX has a knurled center with a deep-channelled side, and the KS is almost totally smooth, similar to an Axial Pro.
The reviews here (posted in the discussions) haven't been great, though, and there's a number of other tires I want to try first. The Maxxis Hors Categorie looks interesting, as does the Kenda Kaliente. Panaracer has the Stradius Extreme, and if it's as good as the Stradius Pros I have, I'll like them, too.