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David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?(21 posts)

David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?Rob11966
Jul 6, 2003 2:26 AM
David Millars chain fell off twice in the TDF prologue probably costing him the race! - What's he riding, Campag isn't it?
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?Juanmoretime
Jul 6, 2003 2:34 AM
Brand of components does'nt matter in this case. It's probably going to mean the firing of a mechanic for a poorly adjusted front derailleur. I've had it happen to Campy as well as Shimno and dropping a chain is common if it's not adjusted correctly.
Problem was he didnt have a front derailleur...koala
Jul 6, 2003 4:35 AM
even against a mechanics advise.
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?paul3d
Jul 6, 2003 4:36 AM
It was my understanding, that Millar choose to not go with a front derailleur against the mechanics request. I think Sherwen reported this.
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?Welshboy
Jul 6, 2003 7:53 AM
Cofidis ride on Camapg stuff but, in an interview on British TV, Millar blamed the chainrings which were NOT Campag.
He should have used a DH chainguide and tensionerAtombomber
Jul 6, 2003 6:02 AM
His Wipperman Connex link was installed wrong!flakey
Jul 6, 2003 6:14 AM
How else could he have gotten such a good time!!!!!nmthe bull
Jul 6, 2003 8:20 AM
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?rogue_CT1
Jul 6, 2003 3:51 PM
Look at his bike, there is NO front derailleur.
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?russw19
Jul 6, 2003 7:32 PM
There is an article on cyclingnews.com about this. The chainring was not a Campy TT ring. Miller was venting his frustrations about the team management not getting enough of the right equipment. He even makes a point to say that it was not the team mechanic's fault.

Russ

Here's the article in full.
"Following his crushing defeat in the Tour prologue, where he finished less than one second behind winner Bradley McGee due to mechanical problems, David Millar once again vented his frustrations with the Cofidis team management. Well on his way to a perfect ride in the centenary Tour opener, Millar's chain became jammed in the last kilometre, forcing the Scot to reach down and correct the problem before surging out of the saddle in a desperate bid to retain his lead.

Millar did not assign the blame to team mechanics or the lack of a front derailleur, despite the fact that several other riders on the team reportedly had similar difficulties. Instead, he told l'Equipe after the prologue that that Cofidis was not able to procure enough time trial chainrings from Campagnolo, and thus was forced to shop around for alternatives. In Millar's mind, team manager Alain Bondue remains responsible for equipment choices.

"He's the one who manages the contracts and the choice of equipment," Millar explained. "To me it's clear, the equipment does not perform well enough."

Millar was no doubt furious with his missed opportunity for a second prologue victory, but eventually put on a brave face and laughed at his own misfortune. "In the end, I'm perhaps a little Poupou," Millar laughed.*

*Poupou = Raymond Poulidor"
Conspiracy theory - Was it a Campag chainring ?Rob11966
Jul 7, 2003 5:18 AM
So let me get this straight- a Campag supported team in the TDF, the biggest cycle race of the year, can't get a Campag TT chainring shipped 200km! Surely the team carry a few spares in the workshop anyhow. Maybe it was a campag ring and they are making excuses for an equipment failure. Would be bad bad press for campag if it was one of theirs(front derailler issues aside). What was the brand of this so called 'replacement ring'? Surely someone would have given it a bit of bad press by now.
Also, if Cofidis cant get a replacement chainring for the TDF from Campag, what hope do we have?
Either way, cant help thinking D Millar would have been better off with DA
Creative Cofidis parts solutions from RBR!!!Leroy
Jul 7, 2003 6:21 AM
David Millar "told l'Equipe after the prologue that that Cofidis was not able to procure enough time trial chainrings from Campagnolo, and thus was forced to shop around for alternatives." Unbelieveable! Now I know where all these cobble-together Shimano/Campy gear posts come from!!! They're not from regular guys just trying to save a little money, THEY ARE FROM COFIDIS!! Remember the one from day before yesterday? ...and I quote: "Will a 54 tooth Dura Ace chainwheel work with a Campagnolo drive train without a front derailleur?" We get these posts here all the time. But we have hit the big time!!! I think Cofidis just had these parts laying around and wanted to use them to save money, JUST LIKE US. Oh well now we know the answer to that one. I ain't using that set-up.
Help me with this.....Atombomber
Jul 7, 2003 7:00 AM
How would a different chainring have helped? The TT rings are solid for aerodynamics. They don't have any side plates or chain tensioners to retain the chain like a downhill mountainbike hass. The fact that Millar chose not to use a front deraileur against advice to use one, suggests that ALL blame should fall onto his own shoulders. The photo of Lance riding over a cobbled section with the chain flopping all over suggests that the same chain flop happened to Millar. Assuming Millar was in the smallest cog at the time would make the situation worse, since if the chain bounced through a pedal stroke, the chain would derail on its own, regardless of the type of ring.

Just a case of sour grapes. Woulda coulda shouda. Blame everyone but yourself. If the ring was such an issue, then Millar could have personally procured what he wanted hours/days/months before he was to race in the 2003 Tour Prologue. He should have enough money and clout.
Atombomber hits the nail on the head! (nm)Kerry Irons
Jul 7, 2003 4:02 PM
Whole heap of BSRidearound
Jul 7, 2003 7:20 AM
The chain jumped off on a rough bit of terrain. Make has nothing to do with it.

Probably not Millar's fault either. I wrenched for a motocycle racing team for a while - you'd be surprised what happens on the parts side even where there is big money around. Stuff gets stolen off the back of the truck, off the bike, someone forgets a box, whatever. It's humans doing stuff - there is always human error.
except if he'd had a front derailleurLeroy
Jul 7, 2003 10:02 AM
he could have just put the chain back quicker - anybody who has ridden a triple knows how to do that. It's his own damn fault !
What I mean isRidearound
Jul 9, 2003 7:50 AM
Mebbe there wasn't one available - who knows?

I can't believe that he decided to save 14gms or whatever it is by ditching it - he's far too experienced.
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?mackgoo
Jul 7, 2003 10:27 AM
The problem was the fact there was no front der.
But I did hear they had to borrow a Shimano chain ring from USPS. and that's what he was running.
re: David Millars Group, Isn't it Campagnolo?oddsos
Jul 8, 2003 4:10 AM
A dedicated TT ring would have deeper teeth and no shifting ramps. If Millar was using a standard ring designed to be used with shifters it would be a whole lot easier for the chain to slip off. Added to that there is a pretty substantial lateral force on the chain if the chain line is not dead straight. Those two factors could easily lead to problems that would be avoided by a dedicated single ring set up.

For once Millar may have a little justification for his whinging (though having a front mech would have been a good bit of insurance for a less than ideal set up).
Look at it this waycxer
Jul 8, 2003 10:58 PM
Cyclocross- where chainsuck and derailment are a major problem and frequent occurance. What do many do to solve the problem? They go single ring with no front derailleur- just as Millar did on his TT bike.
It saves weight and should hold the chain better than a typical setup.

I think the last post maybe correct. He had incorrect equipment- meaning a chainring that is ramped/pinned and shallower teeth than a TT or single ring.

It is Millar's perogative to ride however he feels comfortable. It is the team's job to supply him with the proper equipment to do his job. It is obvious that they failed him and it cost him a stage win and yellow jersey in the centennial TDF.
Look at this,Atombomber
Jul 9, 2003 7:30 AM
Millar used a TT ring. There are limitations as to what the rider may use or what the team can supply when sponsors are involved. For 88grams, Millar was advised to use the front deraileur to prevent what happened. Team management did what they could with the resources thay had. Was this the first time that Millar rode these conditions, in a race or training? How was his bike set-up then? (Rhetorical) Cycling is team based, but it is an individual sport. Riders still must look out for #1 (not Lance, themselves) and can make certain that their equipment is how they think it will be best, within guidelines set by UCI, management and sponsors. Millar took full resposibility when he insisted that the front deraileur was removed against advice otherwise.

If changes are made (in any sport), test them well before the event, not on race day. It is for this reason that we have summer, fall and between competition equipment testing for our skiing athletes. Motorsport does this too.