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New Campy 10s chain question(11 posts)

New Campy 10s chain questionflying
Jun 6, 2003 2:57 PM
I noticed that on the new Campy 10s chain they did away with the permalink.
Now they have what they call a HD pin
They also say if your going to adjust the length of the chain do it anywhere but at the open section as shipped.
Does this mean that the pin is a different size orjust hardened or???
Anyone know?
Jun 7, 2003 2:27 PM
The complete instructions for campy products are available at the website.

To answer your question, one end of the chain has outer plates with holes that accept the HD-L pin. The chain is shortened from the opposite end. The HD-L pin must be installed in the end provided. All other outer plates have pins that have been peened to keep them in place. If you remove one of these pins and put the HD-L pin in that location, it would not stay in place.

I found that a standard Park chain tool worked fine to install the HD-L pin. You must install the pin as directed, from the left side. To insure success, drape the chain over the BB shell so there is no tension on the chain when the HD-L pin is pressed in place.
Jun 7, 2003 5:28 PM
Thanks for the info.
Only I wonder about taking it off & putting it back on say every other week?
Usually that is what i do when I clean the bike & chain.
My last Campy 10s chain has lasted 7800 miles but It is time to change. I used a SRAM gold link on that one after taking off the perma link.
Unless I can take this HD pin in & out I will probably trash it & go the same route with the master link. I have only looked at the new chain a but it does not seem to have a discriminating mark on that certain link to find it again next time?
can't remove the chain...C-40
Jun 7, 2003 7:02 PM
If you read the instructions, it also says that the HD-L pin can't be removed.

My maintenance technique allows me to never remove the chain, yet keep it clean. I use a 4/1 mix of mineral spirits and synthetic oil, applied every other ride. Combined with lots of wiping with a folded paper towel, the chain stays clean and well lubed without removal.

If you want to remove the chain, get a wipperman connex 10 speed link for $5 from Performance. The SRAM link is a sloppy fit (too wide). If you use the connex link, then you have to remove the outer plates from the end of the chain where the HD-L pin is supposed to go. Then the chain can be shortened from either end.
Use the wipperman 10spd connex linkPeterRider
Jun 8, 2003 12:41 AM
it's basically same stuff as the sram gold thingie, but 10spd.

that's what I said...C-40
Jun 8, 2003 3:36 AM
The SRAM link is not the proper width. The connex 10 speed is the correct width for the 10 speed chain.
that's what I said...flying
Jun 8, 2003 9:19 AM
Ok thanks for the tip.
I just got the chain & will try to order a
connex link. As for the Sram link ....yeah the gold is spec
for the 9sp but in the 7-8000 miles I have used them
they have not been noisy.Then again...;-)Maybe the connex is even more quiet?
Thanks for all the tips though!
I know I could brush the chain with rags or paper towels but I like to just take it off & soak it in a can while I clean the bike.

Thanks again
Consider changing over to a Wipperman...DINOSAUR
Jun 8, 2003 7:34 PM
I've gone through two Campy ten speed chains on my year old Colnago MXL. I was hesitant about going with a Wipperman chain but that's all my LBS had in stock so I installed a new Wipperman stainless steel. The wrench at my LBS said it did not run as smooth as a Campy ten chain and made a little bit more noise, but I found the Wipperman to be excellent. It only make a slight "thunk" when changing from the big to little ring. It runs nice and smooth and I can't detect any more noise than the Campy chain. Best part is installing a new chain or removing a chain for cleaning is a breeze. The Wipperman comes with a Connex link and costs about the same as a Campy ten and supposed to last %40 longer. Next month I'm going to install one on my second bike. Good product.
re: wippermantarwheel
Jun 9, 2003 8:50 AM
I tried the Wipperman nickel chain last summer and wore out two of them in relatively low mileage. The second one had less than 1500 miles when I removed it because it was shifting so poorly. When I measured it, it was stretched about 1/2" longer than the original Campy 10 chain was after 5000 miles. I've since gone back to using the C-10 chain, but continue to use the Connex/Wipperman link. I've had no problems whatsoever with the Connex link and it makes changing the chain much easier. I've also bought a Connex 9-speed link to use with my other bike that has Ultegra gear, but I haven't had to change the chain yet.
re: wippermanDINOSAUR
Jun 9, 2003 3:09 PM
Hopefully the stainless steel Wipperman has a longer life. I was thinking about a nickel Wipperman on my second bike, but after reading your post, think I'll slap a stainless steel on on it.
Another chain to consider.....russw19
Jun 9, 2003 7:42 PM
I haven't tried one yet, but KMC makes a Campy 10 compatible chain that is supposed to be nice. I have riden their best single speed chain, and it's nice quality. The KMC should cost less than both the Whipperman and the Campy and it also has a quick link connector like the Connex link or the SRAM link.

I have a Whipperman Stainless on my bike now, but when it goes I think I will try the KMC to see if it is any good. But if anyone has used one already, what do you think?