|Campy or Shimano||HBFD138|
May 14, 2003 7:35 AM
|I'm curently looking at a new bike and I have a choice between Ultegra and Campy Centaur. Anybody have any suggestions on which is better and why? The price differance between the two does not matter, it's just a matter of performance and quality!|
|This board has always agreed on that issue :-) ...||Bruno S|
May 14, 2003 7:40 AM
|it's like this:
Campy Record = Shimano Dura-Ace
Campy Chorus = Shimano Ultegra
Campy Centaur = Shimano 105
So in your case I would go Shimano.
|It's not quite as easy as that.||MR_GRUMPY|
May 14, 2003 8:10 AM
|As a Chorus and Dura Ace user, I would honestly have rate Record a little higher than Dura Ace. The same way, I would rate Chorus a little under Dura Ace. So on down the line.
Campy Veloce is on par with 105.
As to the question to which works best....The answer is.....Both.
May 14, 2003 10:41 AM
|Campy Record/Chorus = Shimano Dura-Ace |
Campy Centaur/Dayton = Shimano Ultegra
Campy Veloce = Shimano 105
I've got Ultegra on one bike and Chorus on the other. Like them both. Campy fits my hands a little better, but Shimano shifts a little smoother. Campy is more expensive to maintain, if that's an issue -- replacement chains and cassettes are much more expensive than Shimano. Some people claim that Campy is more durable in the long run and parts can be rebuilt.
|If Chorus=DA, then why does your Ultegra shift better? n/m||Eug|
May 14, 2003 10:50 AM
|"smoother" is not necessarily "better" (nm)||TJeanloz|
May 14, 2003 11:00 AM
|Ultegra not better, just different||tarwheel|
May 14, 2003 11:04 AM
|Campy shifts with a definite click and takes a little more pressure, but gets smoother and easier with use. Shimano has a smoother initial feel and is quieter. But I would rate the shifting performance equal with both. I like the ergonomics of Campy better -- it's easier to upshift with the thumb levers, you can shift through multiple gears much faster, and the hoods are more comfortable for me. With Shimano, sometimes you can inadvertently apply your brakes while shifting if you get sloppy. Campy 10 chain is not as durable as 9-speed versions of Shimano or older Campy.|
|Ergo shift question||laffeaux|
May 15, 2003 2:11 PM
|I've not used Campy Ergo shifters. Is the thumb lever similar to Shimano's Sora shifters? I can't imagine how that would be nicer, as you can't shift from the drops. How does it work?|
|easy to shift from the drops...||C-40|
May 15, 2003 6:04 PM
|Just reach your thumb upward and pull down. You can shift as many cogs as you like with a single motion, unlike shimano.
Fortunately, I've never tried Sora to compare.
|Chorus/Record = Sora||LC|
May 15, 2003 10:13 PM
|If you keep your levers mounted high it is almost impossible to reach unless you got stretch thumbs. It is quite entertaining to watch someone with small hands try to shift during a crit when your mostly in the drops. You can spot them a mile a way as they drop their shoulder and almost loose control trying to reach it.|
|My friends with Shimano like my Chorus bike better||DY|
May 14, 2003 2:58 PM
|Several friends of mine that all use Ultegra have commented that they like the shifting and braking better on my Chorus bike.
Draw whatever conclusions you can from this.
BTW... Ultegra = Centaur
|My friends with Shimano like my Chorus bike better||anzoni|
May 15, 2003 2:11 AM
|I'm quite confused why weight of the group is not taken into consideration; then Ultegra = chorus, Record (without carbon cranks)= Dura-Ace. Price differs somewhat: In Italy Dura-Ace costs the same as record and in other countrues less. I think it comes down to the shifters which is personal.
Clearly Campagnolo has a nice look (especially Chorus compared to Ultegra) but Dura-Ace has in my opinion more or less the same nice finish. I like chrome levers instead of carbon, but thats me!
|More like!||the bull|
May 14, 2003 2:34 PM
Campy Chorus= Dura-ace
Campy Centaur= Ultegra
Although I would take chorus over Dura-ace anyday!
|both are excellent. we, cyclists are lucky..||colker|
May 14, 2003 8:31 AM
|we have choice. shimano and campy are slightly different in style and i suggest you pick the one that "talks" to your hands(try shifting on both groups) and aesthethic sense. |
the campy/ shimano debate is entertaining but don't take it too seriously.
|re: Campy or Shimano||Andy M-S|
May 14, 2003 9:02 AM
|It's a lousy choice. In my case, everything is Ultegra 9s except the shifters, which are Centaur 10s. If you route the cable correctly, the shifting is perfect.
Both are very good groups, though. Choose the one that feels best.
May 14, 2003 9:35 AM
|If you choose Shimano you may find the shifters begin to disintegrate immediately as soon as you start riding your bike. You should buy a dozen or so STI units to last you through the month since they are essentially as disposable as a moist toilette. A benefit to Shimano components is that while they are not rebuildable, you can reconfigure them quickly into a fishing reel should you find yourself out of gels and bars near a nice body of water. Be careful with Shimano as you are also tacitly expressing your support of the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
If you choose Campagnolo you and everyone who has seen the light will weep from the beauty and soul of the metal components on your bike. Good thing as spare parts from as far back as 1933 are readily available to replace the parts rusted from the tears of joy. Other riders will feel inferior when then see you on your mighty Italian steed - so modern, yet imbued with the ghosts of Coppi, Bartali and so many others. You will be better than everyone else. You can act very smug.
The choice is yours.
|Haunted by Ghosts?||LC|
May 14, 2003 1:20 PM
|Having to think about hauntings, bombing, and smugness are enough of a reason not to choose Campy. Last thing I want is some ghost to get tangled up in my drivetrain. Besides, as pointed out an added bonus of Shimano you can "reconfigure them quickly into a fishing reel" ;)|
|re: Campy or Shimano||C-40|
May 14, 2003 10:03 AM
|You should try the shift levers and see what you like best. I definitely prefer the Campy ergo shifters. Centaur has the advantage of 10 speeds. Most parts, except the crank & BB, are interchangeable with higher level Campy components. The finish of some of the Centaur components is not as good as Ultegra, IMO. Lack of a pretty finish won't affect the performance or durability though. Personally, I think the extra cost of Chorus is well worth the money.
Ultegra will function perfectly, but only has 9 speeds. Many of the Shimano cassettes do not have the important 16-tooth cog that Campy includes on all 10-speed cassettes. Some of the drivetrain will soon be obsolete when Shimano begins the change to 10 speed next year.
|re: Campy or Shimano||russw19|
May 14, 2003 10:37 AM
|Regarding your last sentence.. if Shimano holds true to form, and I expect they will, only Dura-Ace will be 10 speed next year. The year after will see Ultegra change, then in 2006, 105 will go to 10 speeds... It's standard Shimano trickle down. Your stuff won't be obsolete, but it won't be top of the line anymore either.
|Which fits your hands the best?||pappy_d|
May 14, 2003 10:42 AM
|If price is of no concern, then the only deciding factor should be which fits your hands the best. If the pro racers can't decide which is best, there is nohing this board can say that will end the discussion.
Are you incredibly picky about maintaining a specific cadence? (Campy offers 10 gears over Shimano's 9).
I went with Chorus/Centaur mix because it fits better in my hand than Shimano, and I'm obsessed with all that is Italian
May 14, 2003 2:28 PM
|I think Centaur and Ultegra are equal groupos. Record is above DA, Chorus and DA are roughly equal and on down the line from there. Again, that is my oppinion.
I personally prefer Campy. I had full ultegra on my Lemond and switched over to a Chorus/Centaur mix and am much happier. Mostly because of the levers. The Campy Ergo levers just fit my hand much better and the shifting is more solid and mechanical then the Shimano. Shimano is smoother, but often feels a little vague. I like the Campy feel much better. The other advantage I think Campy has is in the looks department. Campy stuff is pretty! It has a classic look and a great finish on it. Also, I really appreciate the fact that both the shift and brake cables are routed under the bar tape. Give a much cleaner look to the front end of the bike. Not that this stuff is really important, but its a nice bonus for those of us who prefer Campy.
|re: Campy or Shimano||mackgoo|
May 14, 2003 10:57 PM
|I'm sorry I've been on night shift now for a week working 12 hours a day, no riding. My only solice is watching the Giro when I get up before I go back to work. So, if you have to ask then I would say you DESERVE Shimano, then you could mount the STI's like bar ends on a MTB like the rest of the guys and fit right in. If you have the soul of a cyclist then get Campy, Xenon would be preferable over any thing the fishing reel company has to offer.
Oh I should have warned "My name is mackgoo, and I'm a Campyholic."
May 15, 2003 3:56 AM
|I would like to thank you all for your help on this issue without insulting me until the last response. Mr. Mackgoo's response to me that I deserve shimano because I had to ask imo was uncalled for. The reason I posted the original question has to do with a litespeed I am intrested in. The question was to see if others felt the same way I did, that the Campy components outweighed the upgrades on the bike with the shimano components. The upgrades are a newer years model, carbon-fiber seat post and a different saddle. The price points on both bikes are equal. Any other assistance wold be usefull, Thank you!|
May 15, 2003 4:23 AM
|I'm sorry, I'm tired. I know that's no excuse but that's the facts. I did mean my MTB comment though.|
|You can down shift and brake at the same time w/ Campy||mhinman|
May 15, 2003 3:57 AM
|The lever behind the brake downshifts, so can modulate the brake and still down shift. With shimano you have to pull the lever and twist it to the side, while trying not over or under apply the brake. Over the years I have found that there is some advantage to downshifting before a stop, as a 53x11 can present some problems when it comes time to get moving again.|
May 16, 2003 6:36 AM
|No different to Shimano. BUT Shimano can shift both ways - a reason you NEVER see Campy on tandems.|
|Campy ergos are on tandems...||C-40|
May 18, 2003 10:34 AM
May 15, 2003 4:27 AM
|For 9.000kms+ I have enjoyed my Campy (Record) gruppo. However, the carbon seatpost is not strong enough to be tightened without a torque wrench. If it cracks, don't expect any warranty. The not so powerful Powerlink of the chain broke after 5000 kms. Also, my precious carbon bottom bracket has several bearings worn after only 9000 kms. The importer's bland comment: 'It can happen...' Contrary to what is always advertised and what I expected, he doesn't seem to have the replacement parts. I'm beginning to mistrust the Campy people somewhat.
I love the shifting and braking though, and agree with the comment about the vague (weak) and somewhat sloppy feel of Shimano (Ultegra)as well as with inadvertantly shifting when you want to brake. The first is supposed to be largely a matter of external cable routing as opposed to Campy with everything taped to the bars. The stealthy Nucleon wheels didn't need truing once. So, a bit of a mixed bag but altogether not too bad. Good luck. Luke. Amsterdam. www.iwaarden.com
|Campy's real problems||LC|
May 15, 2003 10:20 AM
|The function of the Campy's components is not good enough to out weigh the problems.
1. Cost is way to high for wear items like cassettes and chains.
2. Choices and availability of Campy compatible wheels is limited.
3. Break down in the middle of nowhere with Campy and try and find replacement parts.
4. You can't mix MTB and road for wider gear ranges since there is no Campy MTB group.
Most people that have Campy went from old or low end Shimano stuff to new Campy. I have never heard too many people with new Dura Ace complaining of poor function.
|Campy's real(??) problems||colker|
May 15, 2003 1:31 PM
|1- ride 9 sp and buy cassettes and chians for 1/2 the price. |
2- well.. mavic has them. cane creek too. anyway, campy's own factory wheelsaets are greta. even better: chorus hubs laced to open pros.
3- now you got me. but then, break down inn the middle of real nowhere and you won't find bike parts.
4- campy has 13-29 cassettes and triple cranksets. you can ride shimano cranksets mixed with campy derrailleurs and cassettes.
i have nothing against shimano (except their habit of breakjing competitors with patents and other heavy/ dirty marketing manneuvering) and believe duraace is excellent.
problem is: ultegra shifters are not that good. 105 broke on me; it's new black looks are weird. chorus and centaur, even veloce, on the other hand, are durable and look pretty.daytona is light and works really well.
|Why I chose Centaur||peter1|
May 15, 2003 6:41 PM
|Same choice as yours:
I went with Centaur for these reasons: 10-speeds vs. 9; able to route cables under tape for less cluttered front end; and more versatile shifting positions (can up or down shift from hoods or drops)
Don't have anything against Shimano (god knows I've spent enough on their mtb components), just that given the choice by the shop at the same price, I chose Centaur. I think that Ultegra is probably a step up from Centaur in terms of lightness (and I find the Campy cranks ugly) but function wise they're probably equal, with the exceptions noted above.
|Prepare for Dura-Ace price hike||mhinman|
May 16, 2003 4:06 AM
|A Dura-Ace group is about $1000, and Record is about $1400, well, the new 2004 Dura-Ace is going to be priced about the same as Record. Or About a 40% increase, so price will no longer be a point of contention. BTW the XTR 03 is priced at around $1400 compared to last years $1000.|| |