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need help deciding on a framedpazos
May 13, 2003 9:04 AM
I have an older R1000 it is my first real road bike, but is somewhat big for me (58CM I should ride a 56CM) and I want to get into a frame that will fit me better. I can't spend $1200 on a frame and I want to get the most for my money on a half decent frame and spend my money on new components.
I looked on ebay, but I am a little hesistant to buy a used frame they are only about 25% off new.
I also went to my local LBS and they have a caad3 frame for $300.
I also saw the leader frames on ebay for $99. I have read all the reviews and everyone seems to really like it. What do you guys think? Anyone have a leader frame that could give me some feedback on how it has held up after a few hundred miles?
I am 5'9" 155 LBS, ride about 150 miles and a couple of club rides a week. I want something that is fairly stiff for sprints and climbing and dont really care about a few exta hundred grams.
In other words I want a litespeed at a huffy price.
Any reccomendations would be appreciated.
First off...Nessism
May 13, 2003 11:51 AM better make sure what size frame you need both in terms of seat tube length AND top tube length. I say this because I'm also 5'9" and ride on a 53 cm c-c or 55 cm c-t frame. A 56 cm frame would be WAY too big for me - although this may not be the case for you.

As far as what frame to get, I wouldn't hesitate to try the Leader frames if you're on a budget. Should be fairly stiff considering the expectedly thick tubes. Hard to go wrong for the price.

Good luck.
First off...dpazos
May 13, 2003 12:42 PM
Thanks Ed. I went to and inputed all my info and it gave me a 55CM C-C or 57 c-t. Does that sound wrong? Is this website pretty accurate with sizing?
First off...cdhbrad
May 13, 2003 1:04 PM
I have a 58cm Leader and I am 6'00", so you would probably need a couple of sizes smaller. Leader measures their frames C-T. Mine is the base model, same one you are considering, and I have about 800 miles on it now (I have 2 other biikes I ride so it doesn't get all my miles). Built it with Ultegra and a Kestrel fork. I put in about the same mileage you do in a week and I like the ride. Plenty stiff and not to heavy either.
I'm 5'9 too...and...theweasonator
May 13, 2003 6:05 PM
I ride a 52cm R600. This is my 3rd road bike. My first was a 54cm Trek. It felt okay but a tad big. My second was a 50cm R1000 frame with a 130mm stem and was a little cozy but felt real nice. That one was stolen and I now have the 52cm R600 and it feels right on the money. When I did my wrenchscience fit, it told me my ideal size was 53cm.

You must have a really long inseam. 32"+. You might want to find an LBS that has a Serotta fit kit and be professionally sized.

My buddy has a 58cm Specialized and he is 5'11 and swears he likes the fit. I test rode his and it felt way out of size and kind of creepy.

Good luck..
5.9 people.. unite! got a question on fit:colker
May 14, 2003 4:58 AM
my idea size is 53 but i ride a 54 (c-c) italian bike. when comparing it's numbers to a steelman 53, both have the same seat angle and top tube length. front center on the steelman is even slightly, minimally longer.
would i benefit from a 1cm smaller frame? never rode a 53. my first bike was a 54 too.
Fit calculatorNessism
May 13, 2003 8:24 PM
I think the wrenchscience site is pretty good but it doesn't take femur length into consideration - a long femur requires a more setback seat tube angle. A better fitting calculator can be found here:

Keep in mind that the fit calculator is only as good as the measurements you feed it. I suggest you make sure you are measuring correctly. Get someone to help you if need be.

One issue with long legged folks is if you size the frame based on seat tube length, the top tube will likely be too long. You need to consider top tube length in addition to seat tube length.

Good luck.

I went to my LBSdpazos
May 14, 2003 4:49 AM
They fitted me to a 56 c-t or 54 c-c. That is 1 CM shorter than wrenchscience had given me. I think I am going to go with my LBS as it was in person and I am sure they know how to take the measurements better than I.
I am going to order one of the leader frames in a 56CM. At 100 bucks it is too god to pass up and if I dont like it I can always dump it and cut my losses (maybe $50?).
As always, thanks you guys for all your help and input.
My 2 cents...GVH or a Serotta fit.eyebob
May 15, 2003 11:31 AM
You're on the right track, but my suggestion would be to go with the CAAD 3 simply for the warrantee. C-dale makes great stuff, that frame is very stiff, a bit harsh but on a budget, good. Go to and Gary can build one up with your measurement for a steal.

Remember also, that the stem length, crank length, a bar width/height will all add immensly to the comfort when calculated right.

You're absolute best bet? Spend a little cash and get fitted by someone with a Serotta cycle or the equivilent. YOu'll spend $100 on the fit, but you can take the measurements with you so that you'll be able to shop around.