|Vector Pros Vs. Ksyrium SL||dpazos|
May 10, 2003 8:15 AM
|Anyone had experience with both of these? What wheelset do you think is stronger? I am buliding up a bike and do not know if I should dish out the $800.
Thanks for your input.
|I like my Kysriums ssc sl's||the bull|
May 10, 2003 9:04 AM
|If you have shimano Bike Smart has the set for $590!
If you are a weight weenie then rember the sl's dont need rim tape!
The hubs roll nice and are strong they stay true and are stiff while
they seem to absorb road shock!
|I like my Kysriums ssc sl's||filtersweep|
May 10, 2003 1:14 PM
|No rim tape is a testiment to the fit and finish of the Ks- I've never flatted on Ks with Michelin's in several thousand miles. I've owned Rolf's that you can slice and dice veggies inside the rim- the seams were that sharp... could grate cheese. The Rolfs were noticeably "flexier" than the Ks as well.
People can rip on them all they want because they are "popular"- but I defy anyone to point to anything comparable in terms of weight, performance and reliability in the same $500-600 range. In short, they are popular for good reason.
|Am I crazy or do this things absorb road shock!||the bull|
May 10, 2003 1:30 PM
|Is it the low spoke tension?I dont know and I have never heard anyone elese say it.But I swear these things absorb road shock!
They just seem to dampen sharp bumps but they are still stiff!
|re: Vector Pros Vs. Ksyrium SL||kenyonCycleist|
May 10, 2003 9:10 AM
|first...u dont have to pay 800 for a pair of ksyriums..unless u want to waste money..just buy a pair here ..i've seen OBO ksyriums for as little as 500.
second...that paired spoke bs is a silly design and not as strong as ksyriums
|I'd stay away from the ksyriums...||seyboro|
May 10, 2003 4:13 PM
|...and, at least, I had to crash the Rolfs to kill 'em off. Up until then they rode very well, reliable and fast. As for the Ks, I had four spokes pull through the rim and had to go through the single most unpleasant and endless customer service experience with Mavic. I told them I would discourage anyone I could from buying their product. Well, here it is...
P.S.: If you want to read the whole story, just search this board.
|I have heard a fair amount of stories like this as well.||the bull|
May 11, 2003 3:55 AM
|On a good note a couple of friends of mine ride vec-pros and have not had problems.The rear hub is a little loud.I think they would be pretty areo,but I have have never ridden them.
I also know a lot more people riding K's that have not had problems.I think that if any thing is going to fail on a bike it is going to be a wheel.Its moving and taking the most of the impact.
May 11, 2003 6:43 AM
|I think the Ks are generally more bulletproof than other wheels "in their weight class."
The issue with the Ks is that many people use them as everyday wheels, so they are subject to a lot of "abuse" and miles. I have between 3-4000 miles on mine with no trouble at all.
I had a pair of Rolfs that were like noodles. The Ks were noticably stiffer. The fit and finish of the Rolf rims were a joke- if the rim tape slid at all, it guaranteed a flat. I have also had a set of velomax where the rims cracked at the spokes. You can't have everything...
I'd be pissed off too if I had a customer service nightmare. Conversely, I'd hate to be warrantying wheelsets- I'm sure people make all sorts of bogus claims - not saying that you did, but like another poster stated, if something is going to go wrong, it most likely will be a wheel.
|HEY I WAS JUST RIDDING ALONG WHEN.....NM||the bull|
May 11, 2003 10:02 AM
|I'd stay away from the ksyriums...||kenyonCycleist|
May 11, 2003 6:44 PM
|that b/c your wheel was defective...it does not say anything about the wheel in general..|
|I have the Vector Pros on my bike now and there great...||Swat Dawg|
May 11, 2003 4:34 PM
|I chose to get the V Pros on the recommendation of one of the shop mechanics I work with. He has the sestriere's as his race set and commutes on his V Pros. He has had his for about 4 years and they have never been a problem. I have ridden a lot of high end wheels, but I feel like these wheels are pretty solid, and they are definitely fast. With the hidden nipples, low count and bladed spokes, and aero (though shallow) rim the wheels roll very fast. I went from getting dropped in the first lap Cat 5 to staying with the pack and finishing top 15 after I got these wheels. Never mind the fact, I started training differently, the Cat 5 was my first race, and the fact I got a whole new bike, it was still ALL the wheels. :-) To be straight though, I don't know if you are getting these wheels as a special deal or something, but if your not, I would really recommend looking in the AM Classic 420's. I done a lot of reading on them, and called them up a couple times, and they are really the best thing in aluminum around. If you want everyday durability plus race day savviness get them built up 18F 24R Bladed or 20F 24R Bladed. With that config they have a 250 lbs and over 300 lbs rider limit, and the said they would be fine for Cyclocross. Both config would also be lighter and more aero than either the V Pros or Ksryiums. They'll be my next set, pretty much without a doubt.|
|info on Ks||weiwentg|
May 11, 2003 5:18 PM
bottom line: they're not great and certainly not worth $800 (although they are very tough wheels).
|Or, you could save several $100||Kerry|
May 11, 2003 5:22 PM
|And just get a Aerohead or OP on Record or DA hubs. You'd have all the performance and durability of the Ks or VPs, a wheel that could be maintained without shipping it back to the factory, and a whole bunch of money left over. Just a thought.|
|thanks guys for your input..||dpazos|
May 13, 2003 5:18 PM
|I've used both||QuentinCassidy|
May 15, 2003 7:18 AM
|To me, both wheels weighed about the same, handled about the same, and performed about the same overall. Sure, maybe they were a little different here and there, but there's no way I could tell if I were blindfolded.
If you're going to put real miles on these wheels, here's some stuff you might encounter:
-TdF stage winner (if an item can handle 120mi in a day and still go fast up an HC climb, it's good enough for me).
-Still warrantied/serviced by Trek (easily done thru a LBS).
-Paired spoke VERY difficult to ride home after breaking one.
-Broken spoke means you have to true it my slamming it on the road until it's rideable (this is never a good thing) if you have to ride home.
-Are a son of a b**** to true. You have to remove the tire, tube, and rim tape, and use a special 3/16" socket wrench.
-Extra spokes cost $4 at my LBS, and are hard to find.
-Cassette shell is soft aluminum, and costs 100 dollars to replace.
-Big, goofy stickers.
-Flange on rear hub prone to crack.
Ksyrium SSC SL
-TdF stage winner.
-Rear rim developed ~10 cracks after 1500 miles.
-Customer service blows.
-Requires a special tool to true, which is plastic and breaks easy.
In summary, I think the Vector Pro is a stonger, better wheel.... but the paired spoke design has burned me too bad in the past for me to ever consider it again, but the Ksyriums are mainly just a bunch of hype. I'd go with the American Classic 420s in a heartbeat. You can get those built up areo AND bombproof, and they have superior customer service.