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Building Light Tubular Wheels(13 posts)

Building Light Tubular Wheelsridewt
Mar 14, 2003 8:40 AM
I'd like to build up some light tubular wheels with Campy hubs and maybe something like Mavic Gel 280s or some other light rim. The trouble is, I seem to only see Mavic Reflex rims for sale at about 395 grams. Any advice on finding those older, light rims (or new light rims) would be appreciated. I plan to build on 32 or 36 hole hubs. I'm about 185 pounds. Thanks.
re: Building Light Tubular WheelsJimP
Mar 14, 2003 10:51 AM
If you can find the Sun Mistral M17 rim - it is much lighter, stronger, and aero than the Mavics. My LBS built up a set for me a couple of years ago on the M17s. They weigh about 325 grams. The current Sun tubular rim is the M19II that weighs 370 grams. I still have an M13 24 hole front rim that weighs 295 grams and held up for over 10 years of abuse under my 190 lbs.

re: Building Light Tubular Wheelsridewt
Mar 14, 2003 10:57 AM
Thanks Jim. With the current craze for low spoke wheels, it seems that people have lost sight of the fact that you can build up some really light and strong wheels with some 32 or even 36 hole very light rims. I'll look for the Sun rims.
Don't tell Rebellin that...cxer
Mar 14, 2003 11:28 AM
Many pros ride 32 spoke tubulars with conventional rims. Look at the spring classics and you'll see alot of them.
You can build up great tubulars. They don't look cutting edge but they sure ride like the best.
re: Building Light Tubular WheelsMR_GRUMPY
Mar 14, 2003 11:37 AM
People thought that I was nuts when I started buying up GEL280's and GL330's when Mavic stopped making them. Now, I'm the one that's laughing.
Check out Sun rims. The M19 isn't too bad. 12 or 13 years ago, that rim was only 314 grams. Check out FIR rims also. They might have some light rims.
All the rim manufactures went with heavier rims for safty reasons, to prevent lawsuits.
what about carbon?DougSloan
Mar 14, 2003 11:44 AM
Does anyone home build with carbon rims, like Lew or Zipp?

Any reason not to?

what about carbon?Beaver
Mar 14, 2003 12:03 PM
The owner of my LBS is in the process of building a pair of Zipp aero carbon rims. He has the front one finished. Not sure on how many spokes, but they are bladed/aero. Might be DT or Sapim. He built the front with a Chris King hub and I think it's laced 2x. I don't remember right's been a couple of weeks.

If you want to ask him a question, send me an email at and I can send you his email address. He's really helpful and is the best wheel builder and mechanic in the Raleigh, NC area.
Home BuildTommasini
Mar 14, 2003 12:45 PM
I home build with Mavic 280's, and 330's that I have stocked up on plus home build with Zipps.

I love the lightweight ride of those Mavics for everday but when riding the Zipps they arealmost another cog tooth faster. These have campy 28 hole hubs with DT 15-17 Revoutions except 14-17 Revs on Freehub side. If you've got the cash for Zipp's you won't be sorry - Plus I like the idea of picking my own hubs.
low spoke count hubs?DougSloan
Mar 14, 2003 1:23 PM
What low spoke count hubs are available, particularly ones for straight pull, high tension spokes? Thanks.

Mar 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Not necessarily "straight pull", as opposed to J bend, but zero-cross builds.
am classicweiwentg
Mar 14, 2003 2:54 PM
they have down to 16 spokes and the hubs are made for, and warrantied for, radial lacing. these are the first ones that come to mind. straight pull hubs are another story entirely. Edco used to make the hubs on Zipp wheels, and they may be an option. but you will have to get your hands on straight pull spokes.
Overwhelmingly approve......true weight??DaveLobster
Mar 14, 2003 2:25 PM
I think that is a great idea.

As for the Sun M19AII's, they may weigh less than claimed. Check out:
which shows 10 samples, most weighing near 350g. I believe this because I had a pair of Sun clincher rims which weighed less than the claimed weight (and why would Rinard lie?). Not bad for rims that retail for $38.

With Record hubs and 32 14/17 spokes, you should be looking at a 1400g wheelset. I plan on building a set just like that for a friend as soon as he gets the $$ for the hubs.-Dave
Overwhelmingly approve......true weight??loverboyd
Mar 14, 2003 9:52 PM
I have a set of Sun M19AII's but I have the 24 spoke. . .and while it's fine for the front I think 28 spoke would be a little better in the back. I'm running Chris King hubs, and they are superlight durable wheels, but I can feel a little flex in the back

I also have a set of Ambrosio formula 20 32 spoke rims that weigh 290 grams apiece. I was thinking of either selling these or buidling them up with another chris king or American Clasic hubset.

I checked weights and if you're looking for a lightweight tubie wheelset AMClassic/Ambrosio wheelset comes in under 1200 grams