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Am Classic tubular or clincher?(10 posts)

Am Classic tubular or clincher?se7en
Feb 15, 2003 9:54 AM
Looking at buying the American Classic carbon tubulars or the aluminum deep wall clinchers. Carbon set is lighter, but alums are still lighter than other similar wheelsets. My concerns with carbon tubulars are durability with carbon rim and having to mess with glueing tires (but the tufo tires make it look pretty easy). Any input is appreciated.
Beware...wongsifu_mk
Feb 15, 2003 11:01 AM
I'm not sure if I just happened to be the unlucky one who got the lemon, but I purchased a set of CR 420 deep wall clinchers and on the first ride at about 8 or 9 miles, the rear hub failed. My guess is a pawl failed because it suddenly became a fixed wheel (and caused a nice little scratch in my OCLV frame). Anyway, my confidence in this brand is ZERO after that experience. I returned both wheels for a refund and put myself ina little more debt with some HED Alps. Much more expensive, but I haven't had to call my wife to rescue me with this wheelset (yet?). Perhaps most others have had beter luck, but I was very surprised given American Classics reputation for its hubs. Oh well...
Beware...altidude
Feb 16, 2003 10:58 AM
Sorry to hear about your breakdown. but I'm not sure why you were surprised that something like this happened. AC's rep with their hubs isn't all too good. Many cyclists have had numerous problems with their weight cutting at all costs components over the years. AC 350 rims have terrible durability unless you are the lightest flyweight rider around or unless you really don't ride very hard. Their hubs have had numerous problems through numerous iterations of models. You couldn't pay me to ride an AC weight weenie wheelsets 50 miles from home, I don't care if they weigh under 1000 grams. Saving a 1/4 or 1/2 pound simply isn't worth the flex, dependability or long term durability issues with these wheels. There are tubular wheels out there that with tires mounted will weigh less than AC clinchers with clincher mounted and they are much more dependable wheels.
Isn't that AC stuff made in Taiwan?Ambishawn
Feb 16, 2003 11:42 AM
I never used any AC stuff nor do I know anyone who has but I kinda shy away from most things manufactred in Taiwan. Although Dave's speed dream wheels uses AC hubs. If anyone wanted fast wheels why not go with tubulars for fast rides and have a set of clinchers for every day. I agree with altidude, don't get caught up in the gram scam.
re: Isn't that AC stuff made in Taiwan?Mister X
Feb 17, 2003 7:57 PM
If only you knew how much cycling product is made in Taiwan these days. And the Taiwan stuff is all crap... like those Giant frames that the Once Team gets around on...

That's the trouble with this forum. It's full of ignorant idiots.
If you're from Taiwan I appoligize.Ambishawn
Feb 17, 2003 9:12 PM
I even stated that a top notch wheel builder uses AC from Taiwan. I may have expressed an opinion on products manufactured in Taiwan but I never said it's all crap. Just becase I am nervious about buying high price hubs being manufactured in Taiwan dosen't make me ignorant either. I'm gonna have some wheels built for my new bike and have been doing research on several different high end hubs. Geeze how ignorant of me. Like many other users of our fourm, I'm here the gather information on getting my new bike together and to share some experiences along the way. Most people in this fourm agree that bike parts from Taiwan usually marketed for affordibility. Usually high end stuff is not manufactured there. I am also a big fan of the ONCE team. I don't think a carbon fiber Giant is for me but still like ONCE and US Posatal with there Treks probably also made in Taiwan.
Sounds like a competitorMister X
Feb 17, 2003 7:51 PM
Who is posting a smear campaign. My AC 350 and 420 wheels have been running fine. I guess you cannot please everyone.
I WISH I was a competitor...wongsifu_mk
Feb 24, 2003 10:50 PM
...so I could get parts at cost!

Anyway, like I said in my post, I may have just got the lemon of the bunch, but I bought into the company's hype and ended up on the ass end of things. I guess it just burns a little to see that AC ad everytime I come to this forum after my experience.

But hey, for those of you AC wheel owners out there with many reliable miles on your wheels, than perhaps I'm just jealous that I didn't get the same experience. Such is life...
Am Classic Cassette Hub and Tubularscogmaster
Feb 15, 2003 3:48 PM
Sorry to hear about other posters problem with AC hub. I have a 2 year old set of light clinchers with this hub and has been flawless. On any lightweight cassette hub, you need to be careful not to overtighten the cassette lockring as this can place too much tension on freehub. It may have been a fluke. On the Tufo issue, I just tried for the first time some of their S33 special tubies with their adhesive rim strips. These add about 20gm per wheel but make installation super fast and easy. The tires are very true in shape on the rim also.
re: Am Classic tubular or clincher?burdiman
Feb 16, 2003 2:30 PM
I built up some wheels using the Am Classic rear hub and Open Pro rims. They have been great and so far the hub is solid and no problems (1500 miles so far). The high flanges seem to make the wheel nice and stiff. I consider myself a decent judge considering I am 230lbs.