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Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?(7 posts)

Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?killermustard
Feb 10, 2003 7:30 AM
I was looking for used Shimano STI shifters to put on a commuter bike I'm building up when I came across an ad for used Campy 8-spd Athena ergo shifters w/ derailers and cogset. I have a few questions:

1. What level was the Athena gruppo comparted with the newer Centaur and Veloce (or alternatively the Shimano 105 or Tiagra)?

2. Is the Campy 8-speed shifter/derailer compatible with a Shimano 8-speed cassette (I already have a couple of shimano 8-speed cassettes)? If not, will the Campy cassette fit on a Shimano hubset?

3. Any reasons why I should or shouldn't get this stuff?

Thanks all.
re: Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?flakey
Feb 10, 2003 8:05 AM
Athena was third in the Campagnolo line in 96 and 97(same as Centaur is currently).The shifter is similar to Daytona/Centaur because it used a bushing instead of the cartridge bearing that is in the Record and Chorus shifters.
The shifter and Der. are not compatible with the 8 speed Shimano spacing, but that can be fixed with a Wheels MFG. spacer kit, just use Shimano splined cogs with Campy spacers on your Shimano wheel. Campy cassettes will not fit on Shimano freehub. I would buy the older Campy over the Shimano because you can still buy most or all of the parts to rebuild the Athena ergolever.
Athena became Daytona and then Centaur.dzrider
Feb 10, 2003 8:06 AM
I haven't tried some of the jury-rigging you ask about but did some fiddling with an Athena 8sp derailleur on my wife's bike. With down tube levers the derailleur indexed well on a 6sp freewheel. With 9sp Ergo levers it works fine as a 9sp derailleur. So, while it's not officially compatible with Shimano 8 speed, I'll bet you can make it work quite well. I doubt the cassette will fit a Shimano hub.

The argument against getting it is that there is newer stuff that works beautifully and has no compatability questions.
re: Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?Rob Sal
Feb 10, 2003 11:47 AM
It depends on how much they are asking and how worn the cogset is.

I've seen several mailorder places selling old 8spd Record Ergoes for well over £120 which is ridiculous. You should be able to buy 8spd cassettes for a good few years yet, as Campag still make Record 8 speed cassettes.

Assuming you are running Shimano hubs/cassettes you can use Campag shifters so long as you bear in mind when setting the gearing up that the spaceing between cogs is different. Base the alignment of the mech with the cog you use either the most, or the one you want to slip the least when out the saddle giving it most of what you've got, rather than the advice manuals give about using the smallest sprocket to align the mech. By the time you get to the big sprocket the shifting could be well out!
re: Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?MR_GRUMPY
Feb 10, 2003 4:44 PM
All that you would have to do, is take apart the Shimano cassettes and replace the spacers with the red Wheels MFG spacers. They cost about $20 for a set, but you could still use your wheels and cassettes. The only problem is that once the derraileur wears out, it will be tough to find a replacement.
re: Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?flakey
Feb 10, 2003 6:28 PM
Both the current and older generation Campapgnolo 9 speed rear derailleurs will work fine with the 8 speed drivetrain. Its reccomended that you run a 9 speed chain, which will work perfectly fine with 8 speed cogs. Go to Campagnolo.com and use their FAQ section.
re: Any know Campy 8-spd Athena gruppo?MR_GRUMPY
Feb 10, 2003 7:23 PM
I know that the old 9 speed derailleurs will work with 8 speed, but I think that the new 9 speed has the "new" 10 speed geometry. 8 and old 9 are the same and new 9 and 10 are the same. 8 speed ergo levers can be changed over to either old 9 or new 9 speed, but not 10, for some reason. At least that's what I think I read at the Branford Bike site.