|Will new Record rock or not?||The Singletrackroadie|
Jan 31, 2003 5:39 AM
|Saw the pics of the electronic Record on www.campyonly.com and wondered if you guys think it will blow like the Mavic stuff? keep it simple by using only cables? Is it not the future of cycling? I think will rock! But I'm just one opinion.|
|re: Will new Record rock or not?||atpjunkie|
Jan 31, 2003 10:23 AM
|I look at it this way. Our most elite, high tech (and super expensive) fighter jets with all their electronic and computerized gizmos for control have manual, old school back up systems "just in case". Since you can't run redundant systems on bikes (due to weight) I just don't see it as the future. I'm not trying to be a Luddie but I think it's going to be real hard and highly cost prohibitive to make a lightweight/failsafe electronic system.|
|Are you a pilot||bugleboy|
Jan 31, 2003 6:49 PM
|When was the last time that you were in a fighter jet? Just wondering. Flying Aces 4 on your computer doesn't count. I would think that it would be the other way around. Since Jets of today can probably perform better than the human body can accept, I would think that they have back up systems to take control of the plane incase of the pilot having a temporary blackout. What do you think.
As far as the Campy stuff. If they get it so it works well enough to market I'm sure it will be very nice. My question is what will the cost be and will it be worth it. I think it's bad enough with shimano going to 11speed( or whatever they decide to do). I'm fine with 9. But you know what, I will probably get whatever the next generation stuff is anyway.
|Are you a pilot||atpjunkie|
Jan 31, 2003 7:33 PM
|actually being next to Miramar airbase, it wasn't that long ago (they have been a client). Many A-4 warthogs (an anti-tank/personel fighter) made it back to base in the gulf war flying on "cable" as my pilot friends have told me. When AAA (that's anti-aircraft to ya) blows a hole in the wing or tail and disrupts the computer operated hydraulics the pilot can switch over to 'cable' as I referred earlier which is absolutely what it sounds like. As far as blackouts, that's why they have G-Suits and no most fighter jets won't auto-right themselves in case of a blackout. I can't speak for all (I don't know MiGs or whatever Skunkworks has in the shop) but pilot blackout (rare) usually occurs in Hi-G maneuvers and a loss of consciousness would most likely put them in a flat spin (usually either an eject situation or fatal) So jets are not engineered to outperform the human body, they'll push one to the limit and pilots are very 'special' physiologically to handle more G's. That's part of the weeding out process in flight school. Unfortunately I was too tall to ever be considered though I was recruited.
Shimano actually has a patent for 'Yikes' 13. Hell I'm fine with Campy 9.
as far as Flying Aces, I work on computers, I have no intentions of wasting my time"playing on them". I 'm on them enough. free time is for cycling.
|good enough for me.||bugleboy|
Jan 31, 2003 8:20 PM
|good enough for me.||atpjunkie|
Feb 3, 2003 1:16 PM
|as you can see I really don't look at this stuff on weekends. sorry I messed up it's an A-10 Warthog. been bugging me all weekend. yea my office gets buzzed by F-16's and F-14's daily.
The Blue Angels damn near hit us when they are training for the airshow. Speaking of, those pilots (Blue Angels) don't use G-Suits so they have more room for the stick to move (G-Suits take up space) so the "stunt pilots" are very special physiologically. Short, Stocky with naturally High Blood Pressure to avoid Hi-G blackouts
Jan 31, 2003 12:10 PM
|I believe on improving components... and advancing... but come on, electric shifting? Why not an electric assisted pedaling? This topic has been discussed before...
Keep the bike real and mechanical... leave the high tech stuff for computers.
But no one has really answered the question... what do you gain? Sure planes might need it.. you don't want to move a 500 lb rudder by muscle power... but to move a 100 gram gear? Get real...
Jan 31, 2003 12:50 PM
|Record is becoming the group for Pros and goofs. If people can't be happy with Chorus or Dura Ace, they need to see a professional.|
Jan 31, 2003 3:11 PM
|and if it goes wireless will Teams send guys to try to Jam the oppositions systems? will they have to be on separate freq. to avoid causing someone else to shift? I can see it now, guys hacking their code and shifting them into their big ring at the start of a really steep section or when the guy is starting to crack.|
|It will be electronic, but will work with cables, aptjunkie...||The Singletrackroadie|
Jan 31, 2003 11:05 PM
|Sounds as if the guys at campy thought of that, other teams messing via infrared etc. with rival teams gears. I don't know alot about planes, but they always tell me to switch of my cellphone if I bored a plane. The price will be HUGE, easily twice as much as Record now. If my team doesn't give it to me, I'll wait for the Chorus version. Anyway on roadbike you don't get as dirty cables as on a mountainbike. (need to replace mine every race)|
|Withhold judgment until it's out in Centaur [nm]||Leroy|
Jan 31, 2003 3:45 PM
|Where can I buy one?||Inhighgear|
Jan 31, 2003 6:31 PM
|Man, this would look nice on my rig.|
|Where can I buy one?||The Singletrackroadie|
Jan 31, 2003 11:15 PM
|Easy....... Just get a small bank loan, of 890 trillion Dollars. Build a time machien. Devy all the laws of science by going into the future and get a Record grouppo in 2025 when the electronic stuff is perfected. Oops, but you will need another bankloan just afford it.
P.S. will you be able to get me the new Shimano XTR 12 speed for my mountainbike, I will be the envy of all my friends.
|re: Will new Record rock or not?||Rob Sal|
Feb 1, 2003 2:39 AM
|I think it could only be a worthwhile advantage for pros in a timetrial. The biggest problem with the usual tribar mounted gear levers during time trials is when you have to change gear when out of the saddle as you try to maintain speed up a hill, it clearly breaks the flow to sit back down to change gear then get out the saddle again.
With the new gears you could change gear without moving your body or hands from the tri bars, but then when riding up a hill you could just change gear using the normal Ergo position.
For any other rider, I just don't see the point, though the fact that they may be twice the price will not put some people off, look a the carbon Record chainset, nearly twice the price of an FSA let alone an alloy Record!!