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Significant changes in 105 and Ultegra?(9 posts)

Significant changes in 105 and Ultegra?eyebob
Jan 27, 2003 10:11 AM
What (besides the 105 being black) changes have both of these groups gone through in the last two years?

From what I know, 105 has felt more of the DA trickle down as of late while the Ultegra group hasn't changed much.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.


PS Campy users need not extoll Campy's attributes here!
Get Chorus.OldEdScott
Jan 27, 2003 11:02 AM
No, wait, it's "Get rollers instead." No wait, it's "Don't upgrade. Just turn it into a fixed." I'm confused. Which of those reflex answers is it?
I think that you're looking for "Steel vs. Alum?"....eyebob
Jan 27, 2003 11:58 AM
but no, I actually wanted to know not whether to buy one over the other, but rather which has changed more in the recent past.

I think you're right about 105.OldEdScott
Jan 27, 2003 12:01 PM
I'm not sure there's enough daylight between 105 and Ultegra these days to justify having them as separate groups. 105's come a long way lately.
And the difference is...funknuggets
Jan 27, 2003 3:21 PM
108.5 grams...

specked it out and found that without pedals and seatpost... the whole Ultegra gruppo including hubs with 172.5 cranks vs the 105 with 172.5 ended up being a whopping 108.5 grams lighter than the 105s... for you and me that is less than one quarter of a pound.
Ultegra finish is arguably nicerFez
Jan 27, 2003 7:59 PM
I have no idea if you can feel a performance difference, but if you can, I would bet the at the hubs and shifters (same as the tired old DA vs Ultegra debate).

But Ultegra has a finish that goes well with just about every frame material - Bare Ti, Painted Steel, Clear Carbon,

105 is black now, and even last years clear anodized finish didn't look as sharp as Ultegra.
as far as I know ...laffeaux
Jan 27, 2003 1:15 PM
I don't believe that there has been any significant changes in 105, Ultegra, or Dura Ace in the past couple of years. Other than black writing versus yellow writing on the 105 components, I think that 2003 and 2002 are exactly the same.

Ultegra seems to have two versions of the shifters for 2003. Smaller frames (at least for Trek) come with the option to run a spacer behind the brake lever that allows smaller hands to better reach the levers. This makes for an ever so slightly different lever, and a different (dull finish) top cap on the shifters.
Interesting Predicament...funknuggets
Jan 28, 2003 7:00 AM
Speaking of the relative differences... please note that Performance has dropped its prices on Ultegra this month to nearly match that of 105... so, if you are in the market looks like now is your chance.
Thanks all. (nm)eyebob
Jan 28, 2003 7:53 AM