|16 spoke hub||mtnb1kr|
Jan 13, 2003 6:44 AM
|I recently was given a set of Rolf vector pro rims. Brand new 16 spoke. They are drilled to have recessed spoke nipples. In other words they are drilled to the spoke gauge. Here's the question. Who makes 16 spoke hubs? Either with spoke holes or like Shimanos high end sets, nipples at the hubs. Can the hubs for shimanos 535 wheelsets be bought seperately? I beleive I can use a straight pull spoke and build them this way. I am going to look for hubs at the local swap coming up this month.|
|re: 16 spoke hub||weiwentg|
Jan 13, 2003 7:19 AM
|Am classic makes one. the problem is this: you'll need the specific spoke nipples. if you manage to get the 535 hub (and since it's proprietary, I'm sure it'll cost you), you may not be able to get spokes that fit into the rims. Cane Creek uses straight gauge spokes, and they have to specially drill the rims (with smaller holes, mind you) so that the spoke heads fit into the rims. I know Cane Creek also has 16h front hubs. they are pretty helpful people, so you could give them a call and ask them what can be done. I think your safest bet is to find the appropriate nipples and build up using a standard 16h hub. I have no idea where you'd find the nipples, though, and I'm not sure that Am Classic makes a 16h rear hub.|
|re: 16 spoke hub||mtnb1kr|
Jan 13, 2003 7:51 AM
|I believe I can get the correct nipples from Rolf. The rims are drilled smaller like Cane Ceeks which is why I considered going that way. I know the Shimano hubs On their wheelsets are 16 spoke FR & RR. I have a set DA 7700's and when I lay the rolf rim next to it, it sure looks like it would work.|
|re: 16 spoke hub||KeeponTrekkin|
Jan 13, 2003 9:43 AM
|Can't help directly with your question, but my Vector Pro front wheel has 14 spokes. That's probably even harder to find.
Did you consider getting 32h hubs and using every other hole or is that too tacky except as a last resort?
|re: 16 spoke hub||mtnb1kr|
Jan 13, 2003 12:16 PM
|Yeah I thought about that but what I was afraid of is every other hole has the indentation for the spoke head on the same side. I would have to put every other spoke the wrong way in a hole to be able to cross lace. As far as tacky, who cares I'm trying to get away cheap and they're for myself, not to sell or impress. What does anyone think, will it matter if I lace a spoke the wrong wat through a hole? Will a 32 hole hub be strong enough?|
|32 holes strong enough?||seyboro|
Jan 14, 2003 4:19 AM
|Due to their low number of spokes, Vector pros run with extremely high spoke tension(well off the scales at my LBS, anyways). I doubt a regular 32 or 28 hole Shimano hub flange can take such force in the long run.|
|re: 16 spoke hub||jw25|
Jan 14, 2003 12:32 PM
|Well, the nipples are no problem, you just need hex-head brass nipples. I believe I got mine from Mud, Sweat and Gears (www.bikeusa.com). Big box of 100 DT for $9. I got the 12mm, brass is plenty strong at that length, and you don't want internal clearance issues. You'll also want a tool to tighten them, the TL8031 5.5mm nut driver. Their picture seems to be down, but picture a screwdriver with a deep socket at the end - nice grippy rubber handle, and well worth the $10.
For hubs, you could look around for a 16 hole rear - every once in a while, Ebay will have a Rolf rear show up, or some other high-end hub. I've seen Zipp's in 16 hole there. It'll be easier to find 32 hole hubs, though, and provided the front is strong enough to handle radial lacing, I think you'll be fine with fewer spokes. I'd skip holes in the flange, rather than pairing spokes there, though. Evens out the forces, at least in my mind.
I don't think you'll be able to do Shimano or Cane Creek hubs, though. The Rolf rims are drilled for a spoke nipple to be placed in the rim, so just using a straight-pull spoke, while it may fit, may also lead to pull-through, since you're using the lower rim bed, which may not be thick enough.
Still, something like an American Classic micro front and Ultralight rear would look very nice laced to those. Just be sure to tension them higher than a 32 spoke wheel, since the reduced spoke count needs more tension to overcome riding forces. For the same reason, I'd stick with 14/15 DB or 14g bladed spokes when building, as the thinner spokes may fail earlier due to the tension.
|give Cane Creek a call, though||weiwentg|
Jan 14, 2003 2:31 PM
|it's probably a long shot, but their customer service is pretty good, and they'll at least be able to tell you if the damn thing can work or not. Campy also has internal nipples on the Neutrons and Eurus, and they put washers between the spoke head and the rim bed. that might be an option.|
|Tune makes them||fractured|
Jan 14, 2003 8:35 PM
|Tune hubs come in a 16 hole. They're a German company though, and I think fairly expensive (their hubs are close to the lightest made)|| |