|hubs advice on a budget||willride4ever|
Dec 24, 2002 8:48 PM
|I'm needing advice from the seasoned vets out there. I need a new hubset preferably that spins very smooth like butter and seem to want to spin forever. Somewhat like my old late 80's Shimano 105's, silky smooth and gains momentum like a freight train when fully spun-out. Remember those? My current hubset is Shimano Sor-ass. I can't afford Phil Woods or Chris Kings. Any advice I'll take. thanks!
|re: hubs advice on a budget||ParticleMan|
Dec 25, 2002 1:54 AM
|Hi there. In my opinion, a good budget hubset would be from Campagnolo- Veloce or Centaur. I am just not sure about the freewheel, drivetrain combination with Shimano. Maybe a second hand pair of chorus or Record hubs, overhauled and just like new? I have used Veloce and Reocrd, and the budget hubds come close to the smoothnesss and durability of the expensive one. Good luck!|
|Why that's easy.||Spoke Wrench|
Dec 25, 2002 10:52 AM
|If you're on a budget, stick with the better offerings from Campy or Shimano and you won't go wrong. I've found the freehub bodies on some of the less common brand name hubs to be less than reliable.|
|re: hubs advice on a budget||willride4ever|
Dec 25, 2002 1:06 PM
|I've narrowed my choice to 2 hubs, Shimano 105 or Ultegra. I'd like to hear from people who have used one or the other or both in regards to the smoothness, performance, durability etc.
|That's easy too.||Spoke Wrench|
Dec 25, 2002 3:11 PM
|In my whole life, I can't remember a single time that I paid a little extra to buy better quality and was disappointed with my choice a year later. Get the Ultegra hubs. They're sort of the standard for good quality on a budget.|
|re: hubs advice on a budget||HillRepeater|
Dec 26, 2002 6:29 PM
|I've used both 105 and Ultegra, and to be honest, I can tell zero difference between the two. The Ultegra looks a little nicer, but then new black 105 would build up into a really nice looking set of wheels with blacks spokes, rims and nipples.
The price difference between the two isn't much. However, if you're on a tight budget I'd got with 105 hubs and better rims and spokes. 105's on Open Pros or something similar, laced with spokes that support your riding style and weight will be hard to beat from a value perspective.
|re: hubs advice on a budget||willride4ever|
Dec 26, 2002 12:00 AM
|I was leaning towards the Ultegra hubs, so I think I'll purchase those. My Sora hubs just aren't cutting it in terms of my riding enjoyment. They just aren't smooth at all and they can't seem to hold momentum too well. This brings me to another question, will I be able to use my present rims & spokes(still straight & true) if I decide to remove the Soras and lace-up the Ultegras? Thanks for your input Spokewrench(what hubs do you ride on presently?), much appreciated.
|re: hubs advice on a budget||motta|
Dec 26, 2002 5:54 AM
|Good choice on the hubs. The short answer to re-using your spokes and rims-- yes you can, but... Unless you are building these your self(are you?) it would make more sense to purchase a pre-built pair of Ultegra/Open Pro wheels from a mail order shop. I have seen them under $200. Then you would have an extra set of wheels for the trainer, crappy weather, etc by keeping your Sora set. The cost to have a shop build wheels will range from $25- $50 labor per wheel and most will be unwilling to re-use your spokes, they might use the rims( but will not guarantee trueness). Adding it all up, it will approach or exceed $200, and you will be without the second set of wheels.|
|Try Colorado Cyclist||pmf1|
Dec 26, 2002 6:43 AM
|They have pre-built wheels in their holiday catalogue. Open Pro rims with Ultegra for $179. That's a pretty good deal. They have a very good reputation for wheel building.
I would do this over monkeying with a rebuild. What kind of rims do you have anyway? Probably not worth the trouble. Plus, an extra set of wheels is handy to have.
Some folks here complain about Open Pro rims (i.e., a clicking sound). I have used them (and their predecessor Reflex and Open 4CD) for years and never had any problems. I've found Mavic rims to be very dependable.
|Start with everything new.||Spoke Wrench|
Dec 26, 2002 6:59 AM
|If you are going to go to the trouble of laceing up a new wheelset, that'a quite a bit of work so you might as well start with some decent new components. I think that Sun ME14A is a real good budget priced rim choice. I'd mount some puncture resistant tires, like Armadillos, on the Sora wheelset to use for urban rides or wherever you are likely to encounter lots of broken glass or thorns.
I'm a little bit embarassed to say what I personally use for road wheels. I have a set of Vector Comps, a set of Ultegra hubs with CXP21 rims and a set of 105 hubs with CXP21's. I keep thinking that someday I'll rebuild at least the Ultegras with better rims, but I personally retensioned and trued all three wheelsets and nothing ever breaks.
|re: hubs advice on a budget||pmf1|
Dec 26, 2002 6:34 AM
|Dura Ace hubs are nice. So are Ultegra. Why not just go with those?
Personally, King hubs would drive me up the wall with all the racket they make.
|from the originator of the question||willride4ever|
Dec 26, 2002 9:54 AM
|Wow, I wasn't expecting all this input! You folks have been a wealth of advice. All your comments really helped me out and put things in perspective. Thanks to all of you. The reason I wanted to use the old CXP 21 rims was to save money but more importantly to learn how to lace my own wheels, I find it kind of fascinating that I could be riding on a set of wheels I've built myself, for the satisfaction factor I guess. This is for "SpokeWr" - nothing embarrasing at all in your choice of wheels, sounds like a good set-up to me. I think I'll go ahead with the Ultegras and a new set of CXP-21 or 22 rims & spokes & sign-up for a wheel-building class. Happy New Year to everyone!
|from the originator of the question||tjl|
Dec 26, 2002 10:35 AM
|Re: learning to build wheels
You may want to get Jobst Brandt's
i The Bicycle Wheel
book. It covers various aspects of wheel building, including theory, component selection, lacing patterns, spoke length, assembly, truing, tensioning, and stress relieving.
|from the originator of the question||pmf1|
Dec 26, 2002 11:34 AM
|If you're trying to save money, buying the wheels prebuilt will probably be cheaper than building them yourself. To do that decently, you really ought to have a truing stand. Its something worth having, but not necessary.
If you want to do it yourself, the Jobst Brandt book has a good explanation of how to do it (along with more technical stuff than is found in the average engineering MS thesis). I've done it a few times and it is fun -- but you won't save any money doing it.
|from the originator of the question||Spoke Wrench|
Dec 26, 2002 12:25 PM
|I would strongly recomend using a rim that has eyelets for your first wheelbuilding attempt. Eyeletted rims have a more consistant feel as you tension the spokes and are easier to bring up to tension than rims that don't have eyelets. The most common cause for breaking spokes on modern wheels is too little spoke tension. It can be kind of hard to get the necessary tension on the right side of a 9-speed wheel without eyelets.|
|re: hubs advice on a budget||Woof the dog|
Dec 26, 2002 7:34 PM
|make sure you lace them up 2 cross and not 3 cross like all idiots suggest.
Woof the dog.