|Campagnolo Record chain ?||pa rider|
Dec 19, 2002 4:58 AM
|Getting a new bike with a campagnolo groupo that has the record chain. I ran shimano on most of my bikes and put new chains on every 3000 miles (chain stretches over 3/16" at that milage).
My questions are about campagnolo record chain.
Do you need to buy a specific chain tool to take the record chain off?
Are there different chains you can replace it with? Pros and cons.
I found a chain call campagnolo 10 HD-L, sold at jenson usa. Anybody on this board run that chain?
I usually get 4 months out of a chain. I like to make a plan of maintance the first of each year, so I don't end up spending more for parts because I didn't plan accordenly.
Any information will help.
|re: Campagnolo Record chain ?||Spunout|
Dec 19, 2002 5:05 AM
|HD-L 10 is the current record chain. Campy suggests the new tool, but you can use your good park tool, just be careful and go slow. Best to follow the instructions a bit closer, installation does affect performance. Or, buy a Wipperman link to use with the HD-L chain for easier cleaning (I don't, I clean it on the bike).
Nice looking chain. Some people here have wear issues, but most do not. Keep it lubed well, clean, and you should get better than 5,000K out of it.
There are Wippermans that can substitute, but I've heard that they are noisy, and the shifting is not as good.
|re: Campagnolo Record chain ?||pa rider|
Dec 19, 2002 7:03 AM
|Thanks spunout. Wasn't sure if the HD-L was the record chain, because it only cost $33. I was expecting it to cost more since the cassette cost over $80.
Since this bike has the campagnolo centaur I have to expect to take better care of it than the old ultegra shimano I ran one my last four road bikes.
Do you have to carry a pin, similiar to the HG chains? I can put a shimano chain on with using those break away pins. Wasn't sure if I need to have one in case I break a chain. I never did this on my road bike, but better to prepare for emergencies than not have the currect parts when your 25 miles out and trying to get chain together.
|re: Campagnolo Record chain: Emergency fixes:||Spunout|
Dec 19, 2002 7:59 AM
|You'll need the campagnolo link kit, comes with a few links and two pins. Or, if you do go the Wipperman route, I would buy a few, one on the chain and one in your pocket.
BTW, I don't have either, but I won't take off the chain until it needs to be replaced.
|Thanks Spunout (nm)||pa rider|
Dec 19, 2002 8:53 AM
|3/16" in 3K miles?||Kerry|
Dec 19, 2002 4:46 PM
|That's a lot of chain wear! Can we assume you ride in the rain a lot, or don't keep your chain clean and well lubed? My most recent C Record 9 chain lasted about 10K miles to 1/16" elongation. I weigh 180, ride mostly flat roads, and lube with ProLink every 300-350 miles. I get about 7-8K miles out of an SRAM 99 chain.|
|Thanks for comment Kerry..||pa rider|
Dec 20, 2002 9:30 AM
|but I do clean my chain and keep it properly lube. I ran ultegra chains that I got on a closeout from last season. I messured it two days ago and it was over 1/8 inch stretched.
I usually run the gears in the 42 middle, but some of our hills here I stand to climb where I should drop it in the 30th.
I go through a few chains on my mtb as well. This year I ran the shimano chain, that came with the bike, and it only lasted a month. I was running white lighting which had the chain too dry. I run prolink on my road bike, but I usually keep it dry. Maybe that's the problem or reason why this year I didn't get good wear.
I use to get 6 to 7k out of a drive train before I would replace it. My chain would crack sometimes when I would pull out at stop signs. I don't shift up the stack a lot when I stop. That's why I clean my drivetrain after each ride. Dirt is the main reason why a chain skips.
What can I say. I've been riding for 12 years, so my thighs aren't tooth picks. Some people are easy on equipment, but I'm not. It's not because I over lube or clean the drive train too much either. I wipe my drive train after each ride to get rid of excess oil. I don't have the best riding skills as yourself.
That's why the lbs wouldn't want to sell me a 17.5 lb bike. They think I would break the frame easily.
You countered one of my post before about this subject, so I do take you opinion politely. That's why I like to plan accordingly for my maintance schedule at begining of the year and post this question.
I did get three chains out of the cassette I put on this year, which is a first for me. The dur-ace 7701 worked with the cassette I took the 3/16 chain off. I think I got lucky.
I think your correct about the SRAM chains. I got better results when I ran their chains on my road bikes. Maybe I'm not the best canidate for shimano chains.
|clarification and maintenance technique...||C-40|
Dec 21, 2002 5:45 AM
|Are we talking about more than 1/8" stretch over a 12 inch length of chain, or over the entire 48+ inch length?
If the stretch is over a 12" length, that's a lot.
My campy 10 chains typically have only about 1/16" stretch over 48 inches, after 3000 miles.
I use a mixture of 4 to 5 parts mineral spirits to one part synthetic motor oil to "clean and lube" the chain in one easy step. Apply the mixture heavily, to the lower section of chain between the rear derailleur and the crank. Catch the excess with a paper towel (folded to 8 layers thick) held under the chain. Wipe each section of the chain, before rotating the crank to the next section. When the entire chain has been lubed, spin the cranks several turns, wiping the chain with the wet towel. The wet towel can also be used to clean the cogs and chainrings. Finish up by wiping everything with a dry towel. The whole process takes less than 5 minutes. If done at least once a week (more often in dirty conditions), the chain will never need removal for additional cleaning or lubricating. If you happen to neglect the chain for more than a week, apply the lube twice, to enhance the cleaning effect. The lubing should be done long before riding, to allow time for the mineral spirits to evaporate.
I also wipe off the derailleur pulleys and give the bushings a shot of good spray lube, like Slick-50 "1-Lube".
The clean and lube mix also work well to lubricate shift cables and just about anything else on the bike. If my rear derailleur looks a bit dirty, I douse it with clean and lube and thoroughly wipe the derailleur to remove dirt and lubricate at the same time.
|clarification and maintenance technique...||pa rider|
Dec 21, 2002 8:03 AM
|Thanks C-40. I probably put too much oil on my chain. I messured the 12" ruler and it went passed more than 1/8". I lube the chain about every three rides and wipe it down about every ride.
I get a lot of oil on the chain rings, so that tells me to wipe the excess off. I don't leave the oil set over night as you should. I haven't broke a chain yet, for shimano, on the road. I seen people who hardly ever put lube on their chain and get 10k miles out of the chain.
It has to be the load I put on the chain. I know some other mtb racers who break a lot of chains as well. I figure by everybodies comments here I should get better wear out of the campagnolo record chain on my new bike.
I'm going to try put less lube on the chain and leave it sit longer to get into the links. I fixed two guys chain on our road rides this year where their chain is pretty dirty, so my chains don't even compare to that crap.