|Colnago CT1 - Record or Chrous?||StevieP|
Nov 28, 2002 3:43 AM
|I know the Record vs Chorus subject has probably be bashed to death but please can I have some advice from people who have experienced my dilemma?!
I am planning to buy a Colnago CT1 frame and I can't decide what groupset - Chorus or Record.
Money is an issue but I can stretch to Record if I really have (want!) to. I could also mix & match.
My questions are
1. Should I forget the cost & just get Record throughout?
2. Should I mix & match &, if so, which parts?
3. Does my frame deserve full record or would chorus be acceptable?
|..if you have to ask...||Spunout|
Nov 28, 2002 5:05 AM
|If money is an issue, go Chorus.
What performance benefits are you seeking to maximize with Record?
Poseur factor: Carbon Ergos first, RD next, then cranks. Titanium cassette last unless you're a weight weenie.
|I have chorus but for a CT1...||koala|
Nov 28, 2002 5:54 AM
|I would put record on it. Campag Shwag. I think the levers are the prettiest thing in cycling(inatimate object). I went chorus because it functions as well as record, I dont compete anymore and probably only really needed centaur but wanted the crispest shifting I could get.|
Nov 28, 2002 6:07 AM
|The CT-1 is a very high performance frame. In my mind, the Gruppo is actually more important that the frame material. My assumption is that you are buying the CT-1 because you want a light fast frame...why now skimp on the gruppo? If I were to skimp somewhere, I would buy a less expensive frame, like a master x-light, and upgrade to record. Buying a CT-1 and putting on chorus is like buying a Ferrari Maranello and putting in the 8 cylinder engine rather that the twelve...to me it does not make sense. The drive train is the most important part. Go with Record and don't look back.|
|Chorus mix and||Eager Beagle|
Nov 28, 2002 6:13 AM
|buy them from the States - campag is retail there for less than my shop owning mate gets it trade.
I actually prefer the classic looks of Chorus to all that carbon fibre, but that's taste. A guy I ride with has all chorus with record levers, which is about as far carbon as I would personally go.
I found this to be the best deal when I was looking around:-
although the situation may have changed of course.
|cheaper at totalcycling.com||C-40|
Nov 28, 2002 7:23 AM
|Totalcycling.com has some of the lowest prices on campy groups, wheelsets and most other parts needed to complete a bike build.
Totalcycling also has low prices on colnago frames, but www.maestro-uk.com is even cheaper if you're willing to wait for a couple of months (most orders will be special).
|Don't forget||Eager Beagle|
Nov 28, 2002 7:57 AM
|We have to pay 15.5% tax.
Chorus (no HS+Hubs) Abibi = $800 (£480)
Total Cycling - £493.50.
The more you buy, the more you save (how about that!).
Of course there's $25 shipping, but I found that for a whole bike build it's way cheaper Stateside.
|Typo - make that 17.5% tax. nm||Eager Beagle|
Nov 28, 2002 8:03 AM
|re: Colnago CT1 - Record or Chrous?||Noam|
Nov 28, 2002 7:58 AM
|Mix is the word. Go drivetrain = ergo, hubs, RD Record, rest Chorus. You do not need the Record FD, BB, HS. Seat Post, cassette. I have gone this way and satisfied.
|Why Record hubs? Does anyone use the greaseport?...||Spunout|
Nov 28, 2002 8:00 AM
|I have a Record Rear hub, for the titanium freewheel body, and a Chorus front hub. Always had Campag. hubs with greaseports, and have never used them once.
BTW: Bearing quality is same.
|Nope - never used them once.||Eager Beagle|
Nov 28, 2002 8:03 AM
|But it's Record though, isn't it...
You're right though - I have Record and Chorus hubs - no noticeable difference in performance at all.
Nov 28, 2002 8:41 AM
|If you don't get it now, you may want it later, then it will cost you more in the long run. If there is any Record you are going to get and Chorus the rest, I'd start with the cranks.
Save a little money and get the Chorus steel cassette, or the ti/steel, which is about $100 cheaper than all ti.
What wheels you going to run? If built up, get Record hubs.
|What I did...||DINOSAUR|
Nov 28, 2002 8:47 AM
|I was in the same dilemma when I had my Master X-Light built back in May. First-if price is absolutely no issue then go ahead and go the full record groupo, then you won't ask yourself later down the road, "what if?".
I had speced my bike with full Chorus, then when the owner of my LBS called to confirm the building of my bike after the frame had arrived I indicated to him I was thinking about going with Record. He suggested that I swap out the Chorus Ero levers and rear der with Record and he split the cost with me on the difference. After that the difference between the 2 groups in minimal. The Record carbon levers have a nice feel to them and the rear der is a tad lighter and I like the appearance.
I've been real happy with my selection, the difficult part was finding the right positon for the Ergo levers on my Deda Magic bars as the levers are shaped differently then the Shimano's on my old other bike.
Today's Chorus is yesterdays Record, so you really can't go wrong with either group..
|What I did...||Rob Sal|
Nov 28, 2002 11:40 AM
|First off, the most important thing is that you do not want to put Simano on your CT1! ;)
It all depends on your taste of course, I know several people that don't like the black look of many Record parts. They have a point, I don't like black anodised parts (like the new Shimano 105 groupset!) as it looks cheap and soon looks crap. But the black parts on Record are carbon fibre, with a gorgeous weave pattern. The Ergo levers are some of the best looking cycle parts ever and I am glad I have some! The difference in price against Chorus is not that much. (£154 v £127 at my fave store)
The Rear mech is slightly different, it still looks nice with carbon but price wise the difference in price is relatively large (£121 v £69!!!)
Both chainsets are nice and I wouldn't frown on someone that had a Chorus crank on an otherwise Record set up. (£130 v£79)
All though I have always had Record hubs I have never yet used the grease ports! Partly because I have never needed to regrease them and partly because many people advise not to use them for grease or oil! The important thing is that Chorus hubs are of the same oversized design with exactly the same internal parts.
The same goes for the headset but at least you get a nice carbon fibre cap on the Record version. The rubber grease port cover snapped and so the holes were exposed to wet roads for a few thousand miles till I got round to buying a replacemet! You can buy the carbon top cap assembly (with star fangled nut thing) as a spare part for £8 in my LBS.
I really can't see the point in a full ti sprocket set.
The brakes are exactly the same but for various ti bolts on Record.
It is pretty much true that todays Chorus PERFORMANCE is yesterdays Record, but style wise this isn't the case.
|Record - why even ask the question?||Iwannapodiumgirl|
Nov 28, 2002 3:57 PM
|You know you want too. Responses to questions, using your numbering:
1. Yes - your bank balance WILL bounce back!
2. No - you are getting FULL Record remember!
3. Yes - your frame deserves the best, and you are getting FULL Record remember!
I went through a similar dilemma a few months ago. I decided on Record as I knew three months down the track I would regrest not getting it - the difference was only A$600, which is A$1.64 a day a year - you could not buy a good cup of coffee for that, or sponsor a child in a third world country, so you may as well spend it on yourself! By the way, the groupset will last more than a few years, but the cost/benefit analysis over 12 months proves it is worth the slight cost differential!
Also, if I had Record I could not blame poor performance on anything buy my fat bum.
As for the rest of the build kit, I suggest Neutrons - they match the Record beautifully.
|re: Colnago CT1 - Record or Chrous?||awakening rage|
Nov 29, 2002 2:58 PM
|Go buy a steel frame from a reputable local custom builder (fit is
far more important than an extra pound and pretty paint that comes
off too easliy, and even a 1cm change in stem length can
substantially change the ballance and handling charateristics of
your bike), and hang some Daytona on it (just as functional as
Chorus or Record, a little less shiny and a little heavier, but a
lot less expensive). Or Dura-Ace if you're interested in Shimano
(the others don't hold up quite as well).
Take the money you saved on the bike and spend it on a nice pair of
race wheels, a racing license, and entry fees. Racing is far more
fun than just tooling around on a light, pricy bike.
But if you're interested in being a poseur, go full Record. And
don't forget the carbon cranks, and Hyperion wheels.
|Originally had the same question about a CT1.||Bonked|
Dec 4, 2002 10:41 AM
|You don't mention what wheels you are going with but, what I did was to use the few hundred $ I was going to spend on a wheel upgrade on Record instead of Chorus and just got Record hubs with CXP33 rims. Still a decent set of wheels, but I got Record instead of Chorus. Also, I figured that I can always upgrade and get a race set of wheels in a year or so when I have more money and can still use the current set for training, but upgrading from Chorus to Record later will leave me with a bunch of leftover parts.|| |