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Best training/racing tireMJCBH
Nov 25, 2002 12:09 PM
I have been searching for some new tires that will be durable to train with, yet light enough to race with. I love the Axial Pro's but they cut WAY too easy! I'm a smaller rider (5'6, 125 lbs. Female). The reviews seem to point to the Michelin AP and AP Race (apparently more cut resistant than the AP) or the Conti GP3000. Durability-wise, the Axial Carbon's seem appealing, yet may be too heavy to race with. Any thoughts on the issue???
re: Best training/racing tirejeph
Nov 25, 2002 2:11 PM
I personally haven't had good luck with Conti tires - they aren't very round (lumpy). Both the GP3000 and the Ultra Gatorskins were like this. The Gators were horrific. I like Vredstein Fortezzas (not the tricomps) for training and racing. The tricomps will work too, but they won't last as long. The Vreds ride REALLY well, they make any ride more enjoyable, and they don't seem to cut or flat easily. Pretty grippy too (not as good as the tricomps). Life is just too short to ride crappy tires when I'm racking up base miles. YMMV.
GP3000 gets my vote...C-40
Nov 25, 2002 2:18 PM
Ridden nothing else for several years. Get 3000 miles from the rear tire and 6000 on the front. 2 years without a single flat.

Buy'em cheap from totalcycling.com (about $30 each with a free tube). The all black model goes with any bike.
buy them even cheaper from labicicletta.com or sdeals.comPeterRider
Nov 27, 2002 8:33 AM
$33 is less than 29?...C-40
Nov 29, 2002 3:15 PM
Labicicletta has good prices, but their website says $33 each. Totalcyling has them for about $29 with a free Vittoria ultralight tube, that's worth about $5.
re: Best training/racing tireToasty
Nov 25, 2002 4:47 PM
I went through the same debate as you. I'm a lightweight (140lbs) and I've been riding Michelin Pro Races for both training and racing. They're great for all round riding except that they get way too cut up. IMHO, they're superior to the GP3000 in all ways except for cut resistance (and ease of mounting). The GP3000s had only one cut after 1500 miles when the rear tire wore down to the threads. The rear Pro Race I have on now has 1500 miles as well but with about 10 (non-fatal I hope) cuts in the tread. Plus side is that the tread looks like it has at least another 1000 miles left in it and has not squared away like the GP3000s do.

Anyways, I decided that at least for the winter I'd shelf the Pro Races and get some dedicated training tires. I picked up a set of Axial Carbons from Performance for $50. They definitely have more tread thickness than the Pro Races. On the bike, I haven't noticed the increased weight (although I won't race these tires). They do ride slightly rougher (on par with the GP3000s) than the Pro Races but otherwise I love em! The carbon black tread compound seems to be very tough. I've ridden through lots of roadside garbage the past few weeks and neither tires have any nicks or cuts. Definitely money well spent.
Buy on priceKerry
Nov 25, 2002 4:48 PM
You will find people who praise/condem all of the top tires based on their personal, though statistically meaningless, experience. The top tires from Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, and Vittoria will be a bit different but one is not "better" than the other. If you're getting the traditional tread cuts in Michelins, you shouldn't worry that the performance is being compromised. If they're getting large cuts to the casing, then any tire would suffer the same fate. At your weight, I would not worry about durability as you will get thousands of rear tire miles from just about anything. Look around for sales, and find some colors you like. Performance differences will be minimal.
I agree with thispmf1
Nov 26, 2002 1:17 PM
I never pay full price for tires. Whenever I see some quality ones on sale, I buy them. Over the last 3 years its been Conti GP 3000, Vredsten tri-comp, Michelin Axial Pro, Michelin Axial Carbon and Hutchinson (I forget the model). All were around $15-$25 a piece and they all were good tires. Cost and a non-offensive color are my criteria. The last batch I bought from sdeals.com was a pretty good deal.
re: Best training/racing tireAvidrider
Nov 26, 2002 4:39 AM
Continental Ultra 2000 - very light and durable. I have been using these tires for over a year and have had only on flat.
Ditto nmSintesi
Nov 26, 2002 1:36 PM
Definitely the Axial Carbons...Quack
Nov 26, 2002 7:16 AM
I have tried the top tires from Vittoria, Vredestein, Michelin, and Conti, and still keep coming back to the Carbons from Michelin. They are the most durable tires I have ridden that still feel like race tires. More cut resistant than race tires, last twice as long, and still supple enough and light enough to feel like race tires at about 2/3 the price. I just wish they would stop putting those ugly yellow stripes on the sidewalls. What's wrong with black anyway???

Larry
Hmmm, you might be better off swapping out.jw25
Nov 26, 2002 2:24 PM
A durable race tire is a tricky proposition - race tends to mean less rubber and lighter casings.
From personal experience, the GP3000 or the GP 4-season are cut-resistant, light, and ride fairly well. At your weight, I'd hesistate to run over 100 psi. Actually, that's my recommendation for any tire - drop the pressure. It makes little difference to rolling resistance (which isn't very important anyway, unless you're in a TT), but makes a huge difference in traction and comfort. No help with cuts or flats, though...
I've put miles on the Michelin Hi-Lite Prestige, which is basically a different colored Axial Pro, and haven't had any deep cuts, even hitting plenty of glass. The red/black is a little bright, but they last and the price is good. I've raced them a few times - they're pretty sticky in the corners.
I'd hesitate to recommend any Hutchinsons, though. Their rubber's just too soft to shrug off cuts. Both my Reflex Golds and Carbon Comps suffered deep cuts way too early in their lifetime. They race well, but training - nope.
I'm hoping to try the new Pro Races soon - if they hype is true, they could be perfect for you.
Otherwise, you might be better off getting some heavier rubber for training, and swapping the good tires on for races (or get more wheels - it's what I did).