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Lightweight rim (not wheel) question(11 posts)

Lightweight rim (not wheel) questionPeterRider
Nov 4, 2002 3:20 PM
I see all the time the question of "lightweight wheels" on this forum. Since the reason seems to be to reduce the rotating mass, isn't the primary concern to reduce the mass of the rim ?? It looks to me as if the hub doesn't matter so much because it's close to the axle... for spokes matters, I am not sure I will go thinner than 14/15 rear and 15/16 front. Maybe I'll try the DT revolution but I heard they are difficult to lace :(

So my present question is: are there rims that are lighter than open pros (425g) or velocity aerohead (415g), not excessively expensive, and suitable for a 165-170 rider (me) ?

I don't care much for aerodynamic wheels, I've tried the Rolf Vector Pros and it didn't make much difference with plain open pro/ultegra. I guess I'm not fast enough. (The main points with the Vector Pros were I didn't trust such low spokes count, and also they were annoying in crosswind)

Thanks !

Pierre
You've closed the door.Kerry
Nov 4, 2002 4:29 PM
At your weight, you're on thin ice with anything much lighter than a Velocity Aerohead. When going with lighter rims, you have to think about more spokes, often canceling the rim weight savings. There's many variables here, including your riding style. I've known light riders that trashed well made wheels, and heavy riders that get by with very light stuff, so it will be individual. However, to maintain tire bead wall strength and spoke bed strength, there's not many places to remove metal.
OK, then I'll stop reading the wheel-related posts ! :)PeterRider
Nov 4, 2002 9:02 PM
Good old Kerrypmf1
Nov 6, 2002 9:21 AM
World's biggest wire wheel advocate. Can build a set by the side of the road with a pair of pliers. Gets 9,000 miles out of a single bottle of ProLink. Surely, he rides steel because its real. Probably wears a wool jersey and refuses to give up his down tube friction shifters.
Not quiteKerry
Nov 6, 2002 4:48 PM
Ride a Vortex because butted, tapered, swaged, shaped 6/4 Ti is da bomb. Campy Record. Used to ride wool jerseys and shorts with real leather chamois, but switched to synthetics 20+ years ago.
Oh no!pmf1
Nov 7, 2002 5:44 AM
Don't tell me you use clipless pedals too?
the door is most surely NOT shut....IAmtnbikr
Nov 5, 2002 5:35 AM
with the American Classic CR350 rims which come in right at the 350-360g range. I have a set built up with 28-hole front and rears, laced to AC hubs, by Mike Garcia at www.oddsandendos.com. The price just went from $384 to $399 on his website. The front are laced radially with 14/17's and the rears are 14/17 2x non-drive / 14/15 3x drive. I weigh 170, and have seen NO flex or troubles with this wheelset this summer. So, how can the door be closed? Just wondering....
Horses for coursesKerry
Nov 5, 2002 5:47 PM
How many miles will these wheels last? For a clincher rim, 360 grams means that you've shaved 55 grams from the structure, and it has to come from critical areas. Is it your contention that AC is smart and everyone else is stupid/incompetent? It would be my contention that AC is the only one willing to push the envelope like this. I'm not saying you can't build a good wheel with these rims, but I don't think they will hold up in the rear under most 170 lb riders.
Horses for courseskestrel guy
Nov 6, 2002 4:56 AM
I completely diagree with you on your logic.

Lots of companies could do what American CLassic are doing, if they wanted too.

I have a set of 350's that are over a year old and over 10000 miles on them. oh yeah, and I am 200 lbs! which is over there so called weight limit.

They aren't perfectly straight, but they are barely off. Oh yeah, and I have not broken a spoke on them and have used them for racing!! not just training.

Anyone can build things if they do it smart.

Maybe you should look at a product before you discuss something you are not familiar with.

ME
Agreed...IAmtnbikr
Nov 6, 2002 11:29 AM
as I have stated, NO troubles. You guys make a nice product. If memory serves me correctly don't you work there at AC?
Agreed...kestrel guy
Nov 6, 2002 4:05 PM
Nope, I don't work there.
Just ride their products.
I have a shop in Ohio.(where they used to be), I think they are in Florida now.
Sorry.
Wrong guy.
I know there was a guy on MTRB.com with the name kestrel guy. I tried to get the name which is how I know. He is probly the one you are thinking of.

Sorry,

Anthony