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users of Phil Wood tenacious oil... what do you use it for ?(15 posts)

users of Phil Wood tenacious oil... what do you use it for ?PeterRider
Oct 25, 2002 9:53 PM
Just bought a bottle because people say it's good stuff so I wanted to try. But what should I grease with it ?? For bearings I use thicker stuff, for the chain I use finish line...

Thanks,

Pierre
re: users of Phil Wood tenacious oil... what do you use it for ?DaveG
Oct 26, 2002 6:19 AM
deraileur pivots, shifter pivots, brake pivots, pulleys, etc. I wouldn't use it on chains and its a bit thick for cables. Use sparingly
I use it on my Shimano and ACS singlespeed freewheels....SS_MB-7
Oct 26, 2002 7:36 AM
Phil's Tenacious, as the name implies, is really thick stuff. I've used it a couple times on my chain and found that it really attracted dirt, etc. Similar to you, I use a thinner, light-weight TriFlow lube for road and dry MTB rides. For wetter rides, I'll use a wet weather lube (Pedros, etc.). If it is really, really wet and muddy, I'll use Phil's, but I will remove it once the ride is done. For bearings, etc., I use Phil's grease.

I use Phil's Tenacious routinely in my Shimano and ACS singlespeed freewheels on my MTB, cross and road bikes.....works great!

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
re: users of Phil Wood tenacious oil... what do you use it for ?spookyload
Oct 26, 2002 9:19 AM
It makes a bloody mess, but it prevents chain suck.
Answer = "nothing"Kerry
Oct 26, 2002 10:38 AM
I would not cross the street to buy this oil. Where you need/should use oil, a pure organic oil works just as well, if not better. Phil oil is a real dirt magnet, and since it is not pure organic, it is more affected by water. For its price, I don't see any advantages. An example of a good pure organic oil is the 3-in-1 Electric Motor Oil. It has no detergents (unlike automotive motor oil), it's 20 weight, and is excellent for lubing cables, pivots, bushings, etc.
Affected by water???spookyload
Oct 26, 2002 11:01 AM
It is tenacious oil...meaning it is designed to repel water
My understandingKerry
Oct 26, 2002 11:37 AM
is that Phil oil is vegetable based, not hydrocarbon based (same goes for Pedros). By definition, a vegetable based oil is going to be more affected by water. An oil can be tenacious in dry conditions (a viscosity effect) and be completely water soluble. Not saying Phil is water soluble, just an extreme example. My experience in using Phil oil as a chain lube on my commuter is that it was not nearly as water resistant as TriFlow or other hydrocarbon based oils. It did pick up a lot more dirt - because of it's high viscosity it was much harder to wipe off the chain after lubing.
I wouldn't use it on a chain,TJeanloz
Oct 26, 2002 12:25 PM
I wouldn't use Phil's on a chain- it seems like it would make a huge mess. The most normal application I know of for it is freehub pawls, and while it is tops for that particular application, it has pretty limited uses otherwise. I'm pretty sure we went through only about 1 bottle every 3 years or so at the bike shop- not exactly the first lube we reached for.
Answer = "nothing"curlybike
Oct 26, 2002 4:12 PM
I was told years ago that 3/1 oil had a high content of castor oil and would gradually build up deposits. I have never seen this so I do not know the truth. I do know that Castrol-r oil would build up in the oil galleries of M/c engines. It was bean oil, so I was told.
Have you seen any of this with 3/1?
There are different kinds of 3-in-1 oilsKerry
Oct 27, 2002 5:03 PM
The "original" 3/1 was/is vegetable based, and I would never use this stuff on a bike (or pretty much anything else, for that matter). The one I am talking about is labeled as SAE 20 Motor Oil for electric motors. It is petroleum based, and just has the 3/1 brand, but is not the "original" stuff. Also, don't be confused about castor oil vs. Castrol. Castor oil is pure vegetable oil, while Castrol is not any different (except for the miracle ingredients) than any other petroleum based automotive engine oil. I don't use automotive oils on bikes because those oils are 25%+ additives and include detergents, etc. that don't seem appropriate for bike use.
There are different kinds of Castrolscurlybike
Oct 28, 2002 6:10 AM
Castrol R was purported to be vegetable based. I do not know if it is still available. I think it was the platform that they stood on when touting their whole line. Whenever it was used in a vehicle esp as 2-stroke oil, the exhaust had a very special smell or flavor, so to speak. All the gearheads loved it.
It's my wet weather chain lube of choiceTrent in WA
Oct 26, 2002 11:43 PM
I used Phil's T-Oil last year on all of our bikes once the rainy season began here in Seattle in October, and continued using it until the weather finally began to clear up in May. No, it doesn't wash off in normal use (i.e. any rain this side of a toad strangler or car wash), and it doesn't attract dirt any more than any other oil-based lube. Even though I rode my commuter daily, through mud puddles, constant drizzle, and the occasional downpour, and had to leave the bike locked out in the rain pretty frequently, by the end of the rainy season the chain was arguably the part of the bike in the best shape. I cleaned and lubed the chain about three times during the period. My wife's bikes got the same treatment, and all held up wonderfully well. MB1 uses it, I believe. If I'm not mistaken, so does Sheldon Brown. It certainly gets my vote, for what little that's worth.

Hope this helps,
Trent
second that from drier Oregon.desmo
Oct 27, 2002 7:30 AM
I use the stuff only on my "rain bike". Yeah it's a gooey mess and gets all over the rim and spokes, but it stays on. When you give the bike a full douche come spring the parts look good underneath. For the good bikes and dry season I use Tri-Flow.
re: Commuter bike chain.dzrider
Oct 28, 2002 7:53 AM
I don't carry lube or keep it in the office an PWto will survive a rainy ride to work without leaving a stiff, orange chain for the ride home. Other than that, it picks up too much dirt.
Trickle it in where I'm too lazy to use grease (pedals etc.)cory
Oct 28, 2002 8:34 AM
I bought a bottle from Rivendell just to see what it was like. At least where I ride (lots of dust, not much rain) there are better chain lubes, but it works fine in things like the bearings of my platform pedals (on the commuter) where I don't really care enough to tear them down and repack with grease. Just pull the dust cap and drip a little in there, let it run through to the other side and wipe everything off.