|titanium frames with carbon stays||ditcher|
Oct 25, 2002 2:44 PM
|Are carbon seat/chain stays necessary on a ti frame.seat stays give a better ride for sure but are carbon chain stays a must. Will this put more flex in the bottom bracket and a week spot for the rear derailer hanger. does any body have any thoughts on this.|
|Open to debate||Kerry|
Oct 26, 2002 11:15 AM
|Some would say that carbon stays are the cure to all that ails Ti frames. Others would say that they are an invitation to durability problems and add weight. This debate has not been settled. Carbon seat stays do not "give a better ride for sure" since it is all about how they are designed and built, not about whether you have carbon stays or not. The derailleur hanger is attached to the dropout, not the stay, so the weak spot would have to be in the dropout for this to be a problem. Also, short of a crash or feeding the derailleur into the spokes/chain, there is very little stress on a derailleur hanger, so this is a rare problem.|
|Everybody has thoughts ...||pmf1|
Oct 28, 2002 5:13 AM
|but know one has the answer.
1. If you want the comfort of a carbon bike, get a carbon bike. Why monkey around with a bike that's half carbon and half something else?
2. Will these bikes have problems in the future? I doubt it, but only time will tell.
3. Is this a fad devised by bike companies to cut production costs by using carbon stays fabricated overseas (China and Tiawan)? Probably.
4. Ti frames are nice w/o carbon stays. Carbon bikes are also nice. Neither well built frame of either material has undue BB flex. I doubt a well built combo would either.
5. Carbon stays on cheap, lightweight aluminium frames probably is a low cost solution to a harsh ride. Given the choice, I'd choose either an all ti or all carbon frame though.
6. Before the day is out, someone will post exactly the opposite of what I'm saying.
|re: titanium frames with carbon stays||ripSRV|
Oct 28, 2002 9:46 AM
|I'm thinking about buying the Seven Odonata. It's expensive. It's a beautiful frame made in 98 and been hanging up at the bike shop since then. I can get it for about 2/3 retail amount. It has a carbon seat tube too.
The craftsmanship is flawless but I just don't know about carbon and Ti. Somebody talk me into it.
|Make them a low-ball offer||pmf1|
Oct 28, 2002 10:23 AM
|Like 50% of retail. If they balk, ask them for a counter offer. If they won't give you one, politely leave your phone number and walk saying you'd be happy to entertain offers.
Afterall, its almost November and they probably won't sell it this winter. Plus, if you pay full retail for this frame, you should expect to get the custom red-carpet treatment Seven is so revered for. Personally, I don't think most (98%) of men need a custom frame. However, lots of people are willing to pay big bucks for that custom frame. Since the one at the bike shop isn't, it should be less.
If this thing has been gathering dust since 1998, I bet they're pretty anxious to get rid of it.
As far as carbon and ti, there is little to worry about. There are all kinds of frames and forks that are carbon and aluminium (e.g. Look) or carbon and steel (many carbon forks). They don't fall apart.
Oct 28, 2002 2:32 PM
|If you need to be talked into a Seven Odonata in your size at a 33% discount then you don't need or deserve it.|
Nov 3, 2002 1:45 PM
|To my way of thinking, 33% isn't much of a discount, especially on a frame made in '98. 50% is much more in line, even if it is a Seven.|
Nov 4, 2002 10:05 AM
|At 50% you're getting it for what the dealer has in it. True the dealer is better off getting their money back than letting it sit in the shop, but 50% off is what you'd expect to pay for a used frame. In the end everyone wants to get something for nothing (and I'm no exception), but the guy's real hang up was that he was unsure about a ti/carbon Odonata. Sounds to me like he's not ready or worthy. You might call my attitude elitist, but I like to think of it as being realistic. Quality stuff costs money. He could go out and buy an '02 Odonata, pay full price, wait for delivery, and it would be *exactly* the same.|
Oct 28, 2002 6:09 PM
|Probably more style than anything.
I will say this design works good on the CT1 though.
|2/3rds retail for a frame almost 5 years old?||scorpionking|
Nov 2, 2002 7:53 AM
|hahahaha, that's funny, I wouldn't go a penny over 50% original retail and considering the time value of money, that's being GENEROUS|| |