|Record vs. Chorus - i.e. Campy or Campy ;)||mmquest|
Oct 15, 2002 5:32 PM
|I am getting a new bike and am considering either Record or Chorus (I realized that I could put the $300 extra I was planning on spending on K's into the components). First, any feedback on this idea?
Second, Record is lighter, "faster," and more expensive than Chorus. From what I have seen and experienced (I am an engineer), this combo usually means that the "better" stuff is only better while it lasts...which won't be as long as the cheaper stuff...i.e. think Porche Carrera vs. Toyota Camery. However, I haven't really heard any complaints about Record and have seen many bikes with classic Campy that is still working great. Will Record wear out significantly faster than Chorus or does it hold up about as well.
|Record wears just as well...||C-40|
Oct 15, 2002 6:13 PM
|The only significant difference between Record and Chorus is the use of carbon fiber in the Record group to lighten things up a bit, and a few Ti cogs. The Record crank is a little sleeker design with one of the chainring bolts behind the crankarm.
If you look into the history of Chorus, most of the parts are actually Record components from previous years. Each time Record parts are changed, the old ones become Chorus.
Some would argue that in the event of a crash, Chorus would be the more durable.
Not a bad idea to spend the extra bucks on K's. Just buy'em cheap from a euro source like totalcycling.com. Campy groups and most tires are also cheaper from euro sources.
|I went with Chorus...||DINOSAUR|
Oct 15, 2002 6:21 PM
|I went through the same thing back in May. I ordered Chorus then seriously thought about forking over $400.00 extra and going full bore Record. I opted for the Chorus group with Record levers and rear der, saved some money and the difference between the two groups is almost nil. I'm very happy with the Chorus group....|
|long reply - brew some coffee for this one :)||Smoothie|
Oct 15, 2002 6:26 PM
|Hopefully I can help you out some - I just went through the same thing building up my frame. I completely went over budget by straying from my original build plan. Oh well. That's another thread.
Anyways about the record vs. chorus. This all assumes 2002/02 groups with normal polished cranks, double setups, 6/4 steel/ti record cassette (not full Ti one) and the D-type brakes (dual pivot front - single pivot rear)
1.) Performance - they are the same functional. Record is tricked out a little more with mostly alloy and Ti bolts. I doubt most people could honestly tell the difference between the two. If you are a Pro racer or RBR member your mileage may vary :)
2.) Weight - Record is only 172 grams lighter! That's it! Consider that there is 453.6 grams in 1 pound and that makes Record 6.31 ounces lighter...not a whole lot. You can easily make that back and have money leftover.
3.) Price - Record is at least $300 more expensive than chorus. I searched high and low for NEW in box groups and that's the best price spread between the two I could find.
4.) Durability - pretty much the same, this is campy after all :)
5.) Looks - record wins hands down here. Carbon Ergo levers - YUMMY! Carbon rear-derail ohh so sweet. Even the bottom bracket is nice to look at (carbon shell) before you install it and it gets hidden forever.
So what should you get? Your wallet and ego should lead the way here. I went with a mix. Sacrilege yes...but my wallet is happy and I can live with the nasty looks knowing I saved some money and my setup is almost as light.
I bought two cassette anyways - all steel for everyday riding, and 6/4 steel/Ti for those important days. I just couldn't afford the full Ti cassette.
Brakes were my next biggest concern - I like alotta braking power. But after riding both couldn't really tell the difference. Ti bolts on the record brakes...32grams difference between record and chorus - again i'll make it up somewhere else.
Crankset - ouch the chorus cranks are actually HEAVIER than daytona (centaur) But you can't use centaur because record/chorus bottom bracket is 102mm and centaur is 111mm. So I replaced the chain ring bolts and the cranks fixing bolts to get the weight down a bit.
With the money I saved I spent on nice tires, a cool seatpost, and a 12-pack for my mechanic.
|Doesn't matter - it's all Campy - just||Eager Beagle|
Oct 16, 2002 4:59 AM
|tip your wallet out and see what you have to spend - if you have spare - get Record, if not Chorus.
Just to be contrary, I much prefer the look of Chours anyway - classic looking, rather than trick and hi-tec like Record, not that Record is naff. They both work the same.
|Get a mix||ColnagoFE|
Oct 16, 2002 5:45 AM
|There really is no functional diff between chorus and record. If you like the CF looks and the cool Record cranks then get then and go Chorus everywhere else.|
|I had same decision to make went w/ Chorus + K's ssl =v. happy||Old_school_nik|
Oct 16, 2002 6:02 AM
|I prefer Chorus||Leroy|
Oct 16, 2002 8:55 AM
|because I think it is more durable [especially the shifters] and less flashy [except the crankset is whrth it]. I also think that no money spent on Campy equipment is wasted. That being so, it's whatever you prefer in my book.
|my 2 pence||shirt|
Oct 16, 2002 11:22 AM
|1. I REALLY like the feel of my carbon shifters. I don't care that they're a few mg lighter than Chorus; they feel great, and I'm not going back.
2. I'll always use Chorus cassettes because ti cogs wear out too quickly for me.
|re: Record vs. Chorus - i.e. Campy or Campy ;)||IF Guy|
Oct 16, 2002 11:46 AM
|Here's a testament to the durability of those Record carbon Ergo levers. Last year a stupid motorist pulled out right in front of me and I slammed into the side of his Explorer doing about 25 mph. The only thing that broke was the carbon body of my left Ergo lever. As far as I know both the body of the Chorus ergo levers and Record are made of the same composite material. The only difference is in the lever blades (carbon vs. alloy). So you can draw the conclusions that a Chorus ergo body would have broken as well and that the carbon levers can withstand a significant impact. Another nice touch is the carbon levers don't transmit cold like the alloy levers do...a nice touch for winter riding.|
|Wow...hope that nothing on you broke! n/m||mmquest|
Oct 16, 2002 4:58 PM
|Wow...hope that nothing on you broke! n/m||IF Guy|
Oct 17, 2002 7:31 AM
|I was fortunate that I only broke my jaw. Smoothies for six weeks straight and no riding!|
|re: Record vs. Chorus - i.e. Campy or Campy ;)||desmo|
Oct 16, 2002 4:45 PM
|All good advice and I personally agree a mix of the two is fine. I'm piecing together a group now. Definetly going Record for crank, BB, shifters, and rear der. The Campy website lists the Chorus front der as being 1 gram lighter than Record! So there you go, save ten or more bucks right there. One more thing if you are going with a threadless headset, niether Record or Chorus (I think the same anyway) look very good.|
|re: agree but why Record BB?. get a nice Record cassette||Noam|
Oct 16, 2002 8:22 PM
|cassette will wear faster, BB won't. nm||weiwentg|
Oct 17, 2002 5:02 AM
|Thanks for the feedback...I really appreciate it! n/m||mmquest|
Oct 16, 2002 4:57 PM
|Go the Record - you know you want too...||Iwannapodiumgirl|
Oct 16, 2002 5:36 PM
|In a few months time you may regret buying the Chorus - the "whatif" factor!
Think of this way... lets say the groupset lasts you two years, that is 41 cents a day!
I had the same dilemma a few months ago - went with Record as I knew I would regret not getting it later.
|41 cents a day...I love it!||mmquest|
Oct 16, 2002 5:43 PM
|And, if I can amortize it over 5 years, its only 16 cents a day...who can't afford that? LOL!|
Oct 16, 2002 5:46 PM
|amortise it against some income producing activity, say, bike courier, and it makes it a nonsense not to get FULL Record.
IMHO, get the Record already - why even think about it. The comments you will get, as well as the personal satisfaction of knowing you have the best Campag groupset possible, is worth more than the 41cents a day!
|Now that I think about it...||mmquest|
Oct 16, 2002 5:50 PM
|...I do amortize it against something...not spending any money on my car. I should really get something out of sweltering in my car all summer with a broken AC...|
|Chorus wasn't even made for you!!!||shirt|
Oct 17, 2002 9:06 AM
|Chorus and Centaur are made for bicycle manufacturers so they can hit price points.
If you're building your own bike from scratch, you shouldn't even have a QUESTION as to which one you'll use.
|re: Record vs. Chorus - i.e. Campy or Campy ;)||mackgoo|
Oct 18, 2002 10:24 AM