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Would you still buy 9speed? (campy question)(10 posts)

Would you still buy 9speed? (campy question)ThirtyFive
Oct 14, 2002 9:10 AM
I'm considering building a new bike as a winter project and was wondering: How much is that 10th cog worth? $120? I'm more worried about parts availability in the future than having the newest group. This is for a Centaur triple

With that in mind, what's the difference between 9s (2001+) vs 10s derailers? I checked Branford, but there isn't any (or I missed it) info on 2001+ 9s vs 10s

I'm really leaning towards 10s and forgetting about the trouble, but I'm still having problems getting the penny pincher in me to agree. I mean its nearly 2003 and 8s parts are still available, so 9 speed parts should be available for another decade? $120 in the right place can go a long way...
re: Would you still buy 9speed? (campy question)Leroy
Oct 14, 2002 10:07 AM
There's no real difference pricewise at Branford. You're not going to run out of replacement parts, either. It's just your preference. I've got three 9 speed bikes right now, and I'll probably gradually upgrade. But for me 9 is plenty since I'm not spending on them . If you're starting out fresh, why not go with 10 ?
No. My opinion and a rumor from campyonlyPdxMark
Oct 14, 2002 11:26 AM
The extra gear in 10 sp is nice to have in any cassette. Plus, here's a rumor from campyonly.com.

August 29, 2002--Is 9-speed dead? We've heard from a number of readers concerned about whether they will be able to contniue to buy 9-speed equipment--their questions were prompted by info they saw at some online web sites that inferred that Campagnolo is abandoning 9-speed. Our authoritative source (Tim Brockett at Branford Bike, a Campy Only sponsor), offers this insight:
"I believe that Campagnolo will treat 9 speed components much like they already treat 8 speed components. Certain cassette sizes will still be available. Ergo shifters and rear derailleurs may be discontinued but 10 speed models are easy to convert to 9 or even 8 speed. Small parts support should continue for all ergo levers and post 2001 rear derailleurs. It would be a good idea for riders to have an extra 9 speed cassette or two on the shelf at all times. The cassettes will not be discontinued but they may be times when they will be difficult to locate."
re:Yup. It lets me use wheels with Shimano cassettes. nmdzrider
Oct 14, 2002 11:58 AM
I say, "why use 10?"McAndrus
Oct 14, 2002 1:03 PM
I have two bikes set up with Campy 9 speed. A couple of years ago I worried over this same decision as I was moving from 8 speed to 9 speed. Should I go with 10 and get it over?

Why would I need 10 speeds? Well, I honestly couldn't think of any. Maybe riding in the mountains I could squeeze one more cog in there - 17-18-19-21-23-25 instead of what I use on the 9 speed for the mountains - 17-19-21-23-25.

And then there's racing. Shimano is far, far more common and all the neutral support is Shimano 9 speed. Which means should I need a rear wheel from neutral support I can use the Shimano style wheel. (Haven't yet - knock wood.)

So, it's 9-speed for me until I can't get parts anymore - which I think will be a couple of years at least before that's a problem.
re: Would you still buy 9speed? (campy question)SingleThreaded
Oct 14, 2002 6:19 PM
Oh, to have a 10th cog and remove any more thoughts of having a 16t. My bike came with a 9 sp 12-25 and I rarely use the 25. My big dilema is either getting the 12-23 and with it the 16t or getting 11-23 for the range I want but losing the 16t. That 10th cog would solve the problem.
Hmm, does the 10th cog solve the problem...Spunout
Oct 15, 2002 3:57 AM
Well, I'm just plain greedy. I run 13-29 10s and wish for an 18 (already have a 16 with that pineapple!). I do use all of the gears, 29 in the hard climbs. Problem is, with a hard climbing course, you also have a hard descending course, so I wish I had an 11!. Maybe, I'll wait for 11 speed.

Actually, considering putting in a downhill gear so that I will run 12-14-15-16-17-19-21-23-26-29. How's that for range! (Caveat: Do not attempt without medium cage rear mech).
Large weight, wider range requirement.SingleThreaded
Oct 15, 2002 7:00 AM
I'm not necessarily greedy, but my weight dictates a wide cassette range. I agree that hard climbs require sometimes both a big and small cog. The 10th cog would let me forget about a missing cog. But once that happens the bike accessory need will move elsewhere.

I hadn't thought much about reliability though. Is the failure rate on 10 speed much higher than 9 speed?
YEStarwheel
Oct 15, 2002 4:00 AM
The question to me is: Would you buy 10-speed if you had it to do over again? I would be inclined to buy Chorus/Centaur 9 or Ultegra/DuraAce 9 if I were buying a new group right now. I have had a Chorus 10 group for a year-and-a-half now, and I am very disappointed with the C-10 chain. At the cost of these components ($35 for a chain and $80 for a cassette at discount stores), they ought to be more reliable and last longer. The problem, I think, is that the 10-speed chain is stretching the limits as far as how narrow a chain can go. I initially bought a Chorus 10 group because I wanted to use the 13-29 cassette and avoid a triple. I also figured the extra expense would pay for itself in the long run due to the durability of Campy products. Boy was I wrong about that -- at least with regard to the chain. I have spent $250 on chains and cassettes this year. Admittedly, part of my problem was making the mistake of ordering two Wipperman 10 chains at one time. I wore out both of them and a brand new Chorus cassette in 2500 miles. I got much better wear (5000 miles) on my initial C-10 chain, but it was starting to shift sloppy after about 3000 miles. I am starting to think that Campy 10 products are for cyclists who don't have to worry about costs. Sort of like the old saying, "If you have to ask, you can't afford it." Aside from the chain, I am extremely pleased with my Campy group -- so I would hesitate to order a 9-speed Chorus or Centaur group.
NOJohnG
Oct 15, 2002 11:27 AM
C10 works great (with caveat below) for me and everyone I ride with (including some pretty strong riders).

The only "problem" with C10 is the factory supplied chain link. The solution to that is to just put the chain together without any special link. If that option bothers you, there are also some quick disconnect links which might work OK. ???? IMHO, that's the wrong solution though. I'm getting >6K miles from my C10 chains.

JohnG