|3 year old ULTEGRA SHIFTER SHOT.....||bear|
Sep 26, 2002 2:25 PM
|only about 3500 miles and the rear shifter stop shifting .... I had to hild the big lever to shift the small lever... is this normal? my lbs claims is not uncommon, damm only after 3 years and low miles,,$100 install for one shifter. aybe campy next bike??? mmmmm|
|re: Not uncommon||Mike Prince|
Sep 26, 2002 2:46 PM
|The reviews are full of folks who had older generation Ultegra 9 speed levers that have failed in a similar manner to yours. I also have a few riding friends who had this happen with Ultegra. IMO a lot of it is due to poor maintenance. Many people never flush out gunk (or water after a rain ride) and these same people are shocked when the shifters terminally jam. Just like anything else on your bike, if you ignore it it can let you down.|
Sep 26, 2002 2:58 PM
|It's due to the little screw falling out and continuing to ride it anyway. it's like thr Fram oil filter commercial: pay me now or pay me later. I've got way more miles and abuse on my shifters. |
Note: they aren't actually "worn out" in the ture sense. It's just that all the little springs and clips come out of place internally. The mechanism can be rebuilt and the shifter will function properly again, but it's a bear. Go to the www.shimano.com Europe web page and order just the shifting mechanism sub assembly - much cheaper.
|Good point, never realized that...||Mike Prince|
Sep 26, 2002 3:01 PM
|Never had the screw fall out of my Ultegras and I guess that also explains why I never had a problem with them. Once the innards tear themselves apart, there's no turning back unless you have the paitence of a swiss watch maker.|
|Exactly where is this infamous screw located?||mrhkr|
Sep 27, 2002 3:41 AM
|I sure would like to check my shifters, except I don't know where to look.
Can someone post a photo or a link to an illustration depicting this evil screw?
Thanks for the help.
Sep 27, 2002 8:40 AM
|At the other end of the spectrum... I have a set of four year old Chorus levers that did about 8,000 on the road before being "retired" to cyclocross where they have severd flawlessly for two seasons.|
|Campy wears in, Shimano......nm||Eager Beagle|
Sep 27, 2002 9:14 AM
|Campy wears in, Shimano......nm||Lactate Junkie|
Sep 27, 2002 11:21 AM
|Campy wears in--I guess that means it doesn't work right in the first place. Everything breaks at some point, I have seen Campy stuff blow up in the first year of use, I have seen first generation Shimano SIS stuff still working great after over 10 years. Without knowing how the stuff was cared for who can tell if 3-years is good or bad.|
|Campy wears in......your WALLET!! - nm||grzy|
Sep 28, 2002 10:51 AM
|Campy wears in......your WALLET!! - nm||bobobo|
Oct 1, 2002 6:12 PM
|Campy does wear in your wallet. especially those $150 cassettes, those special chain tools and the initial cost outlay. And of course their stuff never breaks, yeah right.????????|
|Yeah - $419 for Centuar - outrageous....nm||Eager Beagle|
Oct 2, 2002 12:33 AM
|Gotta love the new Record carbon cranks at $950 ea.! - nm||grzy|
Oct 2, 2002 10:30 AM
|I'm glad that's the way you feel...||Eager Beagle|
Oct 3, 2002 12:24 AM
|What is it with you? I thought you were an American - home of Capitalism?
If you don't want to pay for them, don't buy them. No body is forcing you, and Campagnolo doesn't owe you the right to buy their exotic stuff at a price you find "acceptable".
I could waffle on about Shimano's utterly silly anniversary D-A box sets etc etc, but I don't - it's tedious and irrelevant.
I suppose you go around complaining because although some car makers make cheap cars, THEY ALSO MAKE EXPENSIVE ONES - B@STARDS!
Change the record for God's sake - or better still - go and buy some Centuar at $419, swallow your pride, and admit that they are good value. Oh no, that would be too much to hope for...
|Oh I get it.....||grzy|
Oct 4, 2002 10:30 AM
|You participated and furthered the "utterly pointless" Campy vs. Shimano debate, which we all know is in good fun and will go unresolved, but now you've suddenly become defensive and don't want me to play. So as long as I do what you say and see things from your view point and you get the last word then everything will be OK. Do you have any idea how childish you sound? |
Capitalism will rule, Campy will sell a few of the carbon cranks to people with more money than brains, and due to the low volume and exotic nature they'll continue to remain expensive status badges for the elitist bike snob crowd and sponsored pros. Right up there with the latest Porsche or Ferrari, which last time I checked, doesn't make a single affordable car. And hey, when you're all done that crank saves you exactly 30 grams over a DA unit at one quarter of the cost. Nothing like having to get a whole set of special tools for your road bike and another for the MTB, when one would do.
Campy is out of touch with where the bicycle industry is going and if it weren't for their blind following and their semi ability to copy they'd be in the toilet - again. Shimano has made Campy what it is today and vice versa. It's the ying and the yang - you can't have one without the other. They're different and both have their plusses and minuses.
|You have.||Eager Beagle|
Oct 7, 2002 12:11 AM
|lost the plot years ago.
So, now you start the personal attacks - says all we need to know.
I'd like to see you defend your purile ranting to a couple of people I know with carbon cranks, after you have finished explaining that they have "more money than brains".
Face it - the rest of the world doesn't have your twisted attitude.
I'm sorry that you don't have to money to afford a Porsche. That just mean that YOU can't afford them. I can see how you take this as a personal sleight, but you are just way off the mark with the rest of the world.
I'm afraid other people like to have the choice - I'm sorry if that fact offends you, but that really is how it is away from planet Grzy.
Oct 7, 2002 3:13 PM
|I own a house in the Bay Area. The run up in equity alone in the past two years would allow me to buy a Porsche in the blink of an eye. All three cars sitting in the driveway are paid for. It's really not a question of money - rather it's priorities and some of us don't need one to get laid. |
So how does the carbon crank fit into your previous "value" arguement that you were trying to make? If your buds really are smart and don't have as much money what on earth are the doing with the carbon crank? Do they think it makes them faster - kind of like when they got new sneakers when we were kids?
In any event - thank you very much for the compliment on the twisted attitude. Being called normal is such an insult, don't you think? Why it's almost as bad as being called a republican. Choices are fine, it's the dumb ones that get me.
Oct 8, 2002 12:45 AM
|So Porcsche DO make an affordable car then? "In the blink of an eye" apparently. You seem to have threadshiftitus now as well.
I'll make this simple for you. Some companies make things that are cheap, and things that are expensive. Campy is one of those companies.
As things stand, you can choose which one you'd like to buy, or not at all. The fact that "the gospel according to grzy" says that all Porches are a rip-off, as are carbon cranks, as is all Campy's stuff, doesn't mean Jack, aside from the fact that you are talking out of your ass.
On the question of "If your buds really are smart and don't have as much money what on earth are the doing with the carbon crank?", I'll try to carry on keeping it simple.
They like them. They can afford them, and they exercised their right to spend their money how they choose. Tough on you, apparently, but that's how it is. Live with it.
So if you are so smart, why are you living in a high equity house instead of a shack and investing the money - that's not going to make you live longer/ride faster/talk any more sense? Why aren't you riding a 40lb 25 year old $12 bike - that would make you stronger? Why do you have more than 2 shirts?
Oh my - it's because you decided what to spend your money on. So I guess by your logic that makes all house building companies, clothes manufacturers, bike makers and prepbably everyone else theiving rip-off merchants.
Let's have an interesting answer: Have you even ever ridden Centuar? Or are you really just ranting like a loon without any basis whatsoever.
|Walk This Way||grzy|
Oct 9, 2002 4:36 PM
|If you've been to the Silicon Valley area recently you'd know that "shacks" start at $500K now. Two years ago they were $300K. So, using higher math, one can easily see that said shack nets you $200K if you move out of the area. On the other hand you've got no problem running up to a $200K equity line of credit either since you already had to have some equity to by the shack in the first place. If you're going to work in Silicon Valley then most people need to live in Silicon Valley. You can write a check for a Porsche based on the equity line of credit and some people do just this - especially since so many stock options are now under water and the Repo man is in the area. Unless you really want to live in a trailer there isn't much in the way of savings to be had and then your investment doesn't appreciate much. |
Never said Porshce's were a rip off - just expensive. One day I'll have mine. You gotta admitt anyone that would pay $950 for a carbon crank and $300 for a "carbon" rear deraileur is a "special" person, but this country is all about choices. Hey, if you can get some sucker to buy it then why not build it? I bet if you got Pantani to pee on it you could sell it for even more. Hmmm, could be a new business model....
So, since we're talking about thread shiftitus and my beef with over priced carbon cranks for the Gucci crowd, what does Cenuar have to do with any of this? I've ridden Centuar and I'm sad to report that my life did not change nor did the earth move under my feet. I must admitt I was hoping for a miracle, but was left uninspired. Component for component Shimano is cheaper. If low end Shimano is supposed to be shitty are you trying to say that Campy can be just as shitty or not quite as shitty? Is Centuar the answer to Dura Ace and over priced Record components? None of it really matters that much since it's all pretty subjective and the component groups are targetted for different price points.
If you want to jump to conclusions and make a slew of assumptions about things that's your business - just realize when you're doing it.
|One of us has to...||Eager Beagle|
Oct 10, 2002 12:28 AM
|"Porsche don't make an affordable car"
"People who buy carbon cranks have more money than sense".
And you have the nerve to try to lecture about assumptions!
You take some beating, I'll give you that.
Sep 28, 2002 10:48 AM
|The screw is located right on the backside of the lever assembly about halfway down. It's a little tricky to see it with everything in it's normal position so here's a trick. Remove the associated wheel so you can really squeeze the brake lever. Shift all the way down with the smaller (inner) lever, then with the wheel out go for a massive "up shift" by deflecting the bigger brake lever as far inward as possible and hold this position. Now squeeze the brake and without the rim in the way the lever should go something like 90 degrees. Now standing over the bike you should be looking straight down and at the backside of the lever assembly. There should be a little phillips head screw visible and if not you'll just see a hole between a plate and the brake lver casting. This is the infamous screw. If it's missing you need to replcae it - it's metric and you 'll need to cut one down - I strongly suggest you work with stainless steel so it won't corrode. Clean out the hole with a Q-tip to get rid of the grease, oil and dirt. Be very careful that you get the length right and do not over tighten the screw. Use Loctite to secure. In the past I've always advocated BLUE loctite, but have sometimes needed to break out the RED to keep the little bugger in place. |
If you can't follow this then refer to the other lever to see where the screw should be. If you remove tha screw for sizing purposes then you'll need to Loctite it also. Hope this helps - it's kind of a pisser that one must do this, but it works and keeps you Ultegra STI working well. Also, be aware that the little plastic caps rattle and the fix for them is to pop them off then reapply with a dab of silicone caulk. Give everything 24 hours to cure before "stress testing."
Sep 28, 2002 12:24 PM
|This is exactly the kind of detailed info I was looking for.
Have a great one.
|If it's just gunk, why don't you try WD40...||PeterRider|
Sep 27, 2002 11:58 AM
|If it's just gunk, why don't you try WD40...||grzy|
Sep 28, 2002 10:49 AM
|Gunk doesn't make things get loose and rattle. Just the opposite - it binds everything up.|| |