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Tubular tires-glue or adhesive rim tape?(18 posts)

Tubular tires-glue or adhesive rim tape?theeatkins
Sep 8, 2002 3:17 PM
I just started using tubular tires. A friend recommended the use of Jantex adhesive rim tape instead of glue. Does anyone have an opinion? I have NO experience either way so I have no prejudices.
This guy is no friendKerry
Sep 8, 2002 3:37 PM
Glue is the answer, tape is a loser concept. It's been around for at least 30 years and has never caught on. It gets reinvented every few years, catching a new generation off guard.
...Kerry, are you sure???Akirasho
Sep 8, 2002 5:33 PM
... I have no experience with tubular tape... but I do know that there have been significant advances in adhesives over the last 30 years (a hell of a lot of trim on most autos is held on by Fast Tac or one of it's relatives).

Have you had specific problems with tape (Jantex or Tufo)... or know of someone who has... and if so, could you clarify the problems? Does the tape have to be "activated" (some glues remain relatively inert until hit (sometimes mechanically induced) with an activator)?? I've been curious about the tape myself but have yet to try (got a new set of tubular wheels on the way... which might be my test bed).

I'll admit to being a bit of a tinkerer... and one to try things outside the norm... but I'm not tying a beach towel round my neck and jumping off the roof...

We abide.

Remain In Light.
...Kerry, are you sure???JohnG
Sep 8, 2002 9:22 PM
I searched around and found a lot of positive comments re the TUFO activated tape. That's the route that I've gone. I haven't seen any negative comments re the TUFO products. ????

JohnG
Tufo isn't tapeDougSloan
Sep 9, 2002 6:02 AM
I use the Tufo, too. In my view, it's wrong to think of it as "tape." It's a glue strip. It's nothing but glue, whereas tape implies some sort of material with adhesive on it. Plus, the Tufo works. I was very skeptical, but it really does work. You just have to get past the image of double sided tape.

Doug
hmmmmmmmJohnG
Sep 9, 2002 6:27 AM
Tufo calls the product "TUFO ACTIVATED TUBULAR TIRE GLUING TAPE "

http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/accessories.html

So I guess it both a tape and a "real" glue.

JG
they're wrong :-) nmDougSloan
Sep 9, 2002 7:06 AM
hmmmmmmmAkirasho
Sep 9, 2002 1:24 PM
... the word tape can be used to describe something... ummmmm, tapelike without actually being tape (tapeworm for instance)... I imagine it as a "tape" of activated glue...

Thanks for some user feedback... I think I will try some on my new wheelset... if they ever get here!

We abide.

Remain In Light.
Not so sureKerry
Sep 9, 2002 5:25 PM
I've not used the TUFO product - I "outgrew" tubulars in early 1998. The fundamental problem with tape is that there are now two adhesive boundaries AND an extra layer of material between the tire and the rim. It sounds as though the TUFO product is different than tape. However, I have seen many negative comments on the product (when compared with quality tubular glue) on the Tech Talk Forum (http://www.cyclingforum.com), which has some very knowledgeable posters.
can't find postsDougSloan
Sep 10, 2002 6:20 AM
I did a search for "Tufo" on that forum and got no hits. Any idea what the problems were? Since I'm using it, I'd like to know. Thanks.

Doug
Won't find postsKerry
Sep 10, 2002 5:08 PM
There was a loss of the server on Cycling Forum and all the history got lost. The TUFO tape hasn't been discussed in a long while. The gripes, as I remember them, were that it was very messy, that it didn't have the grip of Conti (or other good glues), that it was a problem changing tires if the tape stuck to the old tire, and the idea that you're inserting a extra layer between the tire and rim.
FasTac = beware!lonefrontranger
Sep 9, 2002 1:42 PM
Do NOT use FasTac under ANY circumstances unless you are willing to re-glue early and often.

The reason is that the strip will dry out and lose adherence, especially if exposed to wet conditions. Trackies sometimes use it because it's relatively light and simple, but then they also tend to re-glue their tires before every race.

I've also seen several instances of FasTac'ed tires rolling because the base tape separated; the contact patch is just too small. With liquid glue, you get a wider contact patch and the glue soaks thru, permeating the base tape and forming a better overall bond, both base tape to tire AND tire to rim.

The best gluing method uses patience, cleanliness, and a methodical approach of many thin layers. This is why most roadies no longer bother, and I no longer bother except with my high-end race wheels. IMO it takes 3 days to correctly stretch and glue a tire beyond a doubt of rolling.
... agreed...Akirasho
Sep 9, 2002 1:55 PM
... I wasn't advocating the use of Fast Tac... merely using it as an illustration of the tenacity of some modern adhesives (I know some folks use Fast Tac for "emergencies"... but it was not specifically designed for this application).

...hmmmmmm, maybe in the not too distant future... younger riders on their lightweight clincher wheel/rubber combos will look at my antiquated equipment and refer to me as Lord of the Tubulars... has a Trilogy sound to it don't it?

We abide.

Remain In Light.
agreed (and some thread drift)lonefrontranger
Sep 9, 2002 2:21 PM
Wasn't actually criticising you in person, just ensuring that no one subscribed to the thread got the impression that FasTac was a good idea.

Akirasho you work with IPRO, do you not? Pete DiSalvo was the one who taught me how to glue sewups back in the bad ol' days. In fact, my fixed-gear happens to be one of his old frames (bonus to be the same size as the shop owner, no?). My mentor Aldo (dunno if you recognize that name) was the one who first ranted about FasTac in my presence, this after a horrific crash took out nearly half the Cat 3 field in the crit at the '94 Miami Valley Stage Race due to some poor fool having had dried-up FasTac on his tubies.
... I only spend money there... (as we drift a bit further)Akirasho
Sep 9, 2002 6:20 PM
... That would be like the proverbial "Kid in a Candy Shop". I Pro will be having their second semi annual TT on the 15th... I'll watch from the sidelines... perhaps get a few pics.

We abide.

Remain In Light.
FasTac = beware!-- ohh wellstr8dum1
Sep 10, 2002 9:52 AM
Everyone i know (myself included) uses fast tack to glue tubs. its easy to use, sets well and never have any probs.
I have no idea what you are talking about by sayin the contact patch is too small? You spread the glue over the entire base tape. Fast tac soaks into base tape as well, as it is a liquid glue. You must just be talking out of your ass.

Yes i have heard that fast tac may have probs with base tape separation (never expereinced it myself over the past 2 yrs of Cat 1 racing) but dont you check your clinchers before a race also? So i dont see the arguement.
Don't use that Jantex stuff!!Alexx
Sep 10, 2002 5:18 AM
When it gets wet, it loses adhesion. It's not too good dry, either!
Don't use that Jantex stuff!!theeatkins
Sep 10, 2002 8:32 AM
Do you have personal knowledge of this problem? If so, can you be more specific? Is the same problem happening with the Tufo brand?