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The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!(12 posts)

The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!Spunout
Sep 5, 2002 2:06 PM

I don't have a good chain tool or manual link in my chain. I do have a C10 Record chain on my Chorus bike.

1) I need to get it off sooner or later to clean/replace. Can I use the Park CT3 to do this?

2) When I break the chain, should I break it at the same 'special' link used to put it together? And again, the same link to put it back together?

Manual links make me nervous, especially on that skinny chain. What about Wipperman chains, can they take any tool and any link?

Any assistance is appreciated, thanks.
Follow-up questionmmquest
Sep 5, 2002 4:49 PM
Can you add a Wipperman link to a Campy chain? If you can, where do you put it and can you stick it in without the fancy Campy chain tool?

Wipperman Connector explodedmhinman
Sep 6, 2002 4:06 AM
I was climbing a hill about a month and a half ago and my C-10 chain with a Wipperman connector exploded at the connector. Fortunely I did maintain control, but it was not a plesant experience. I never found the pieces and I now us the Permalink and carry the Wipperman for emergencies only.
Wipperman Connector explodedKurtVF
Sep 6, 2002 3:38 PM
There are also cases of permalinks failing, although since it happened to YOU I can see the reluctance to use anything else. I use a superlink III and so far so good. It will be hard to convince me to use that stupid permalink.
re: The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!grandemamou
Sep 6, 2002 3:34 AM
1.Yes, you can use a standard chain tool to remove it.

2. Yes, you should use a special link to rejoin. Campy sells a tool to use with their special link but some people manage without it. I'm not sure what the latest iteration is called and to be quite honest I don't care cause I'm not using it.

My advice get a Campy chain and Wipperman link to join. No special tools and you can take it off in seconds. I'm on my second one and have had zero problems.
re: The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!mmquest
Sep 6, 2002 8:39 AM
So where do you put the Wipperman? Do you put it in place of their special link or just place it anywhere along the chain?

re: The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!grandemamou
Sep 6, 2002 10:51 AM
In place of their special link. I suppose you could put it anywhere on the chain but I don't know why you would. The reason most people started using the Connex link was that Permalinks did not last very long.

I personaly never had a problem with the permalink but have heard of lots of people who had, including one in my club. The post above is the first instance I have heard of a problem with the Connex link. It's a new product in a narrow market so we may see more failures when more people start using them.

Just out of curiosity when yours failed how many miles and what brand of chain were you using?
re: The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!mhinman
Sep 6, 2002 12:31 PM
The Connex was on a Campy C-10 chain and it had about 30-40 miles on it.
re: The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!Fignons_ponytail
Sep 6, 2002 1:09 PM
I've been using the C-10 chain (two of them) with the Wipperman link all season (about 7,000 miles give or take) and have had no problems. I'm on my second chain for those miles, but still using the same Wipperman link. I'm a 170 lb. Cat 3 racer who is pretty tough on equipment, if this helps at all. When I replace the chain next time, I'll put a new Wipperman link in.
re: The Definitive Campy C10 HD-L Chain Discussion/Help!JohnG
Sep 9, 2002 6:54 AM
I'm a big "just put it together" guy. Ditch the "special" links and assemble with a good quality shop tool. I use the Park shop tool.

I've assembled countless C10 chains this way and NEVER had a problem. A big local "pro" shop does it this way also.

once again, bad idea....C-40
Sep 9, 2002 8:37 AM
I've pointed out several times why this practice is such a bad idea with a flush-pin chain. Reinstalling a pin in a severely damaged hole and expecting it to stay together is not wise. Others have experienced immediate failure with this technique.

Connector links like the wipperman or even the SRAM (that's too wide) would be smarter than reassembling in the same manner as a protruding-pin chain.
technique is NOT intended for "challenged" mechanicsJohnG
Sep 9, 2002 10:27 AM
Also, that's a real dufus comment..... suggesting to use an SRAM link.