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Integrated HeadsetSilas_Greenback
Sep 4, 2002 9:29 AM
It may be too early to ask, but has anyone experienced problems with his or her integrated headset? It seems like a solution searching for a problem, and there also seem to be a variety of brands and types out there. Being somewhat skeptical and cautious, I have waited to see how these new headsets work out before looking at a new frameset.
Someone on this forum...PsyDoc
Sep 4, 2002 11:10 AM
...had a problem at least I think it was on this forum. The problem was that the front end seemed to "wander" when going hard out of the saddle (or something to this effect). Cane Creek was called for a solution and the owner ended up finding metal shavings in the lower bearings. As it turned out, the manufacturer (cannot recall which one) did not properly face the head tube. Cane Creek sent out a new bearing and the LBS properly faced the head tube and everything was fixed.
re: Integrated HeadsetCAAD5 Kid
Sep 4, 2002 4:40 PM
There's no need to get an integrated headset. I've got one and can tell ya that I haven't had any problems yet but I check my headset everyday before i ride now. With a regular frame and a chris king headset I did that maybe once a week. Honestly, there is no reason to go integrated. A lot of people will tell ya it saves weight, it doesn't. You have to add material to both the frame and the fork for any integrated headset so it's gonna weigh probably 30-40 grams heavier than a standard setup. others say it's gonna be stiffer. Stiffer? I haven't seen it and no one else in my shop has. If you wanna check out probably the bext design out there check outt he chris king web page about their design....but than almost no frame comes prepped for the perdido and you'd have to buy a special tool to face the ream out the headtube for it (and void your warranty). Even chris king says there's no benefit to it.
Chris King . . . WhinerJaeP
Sep 4, 2002 10:18 PM
Maybe an integrated headset isn't the panacea it's suppose to be. But let me tell you it's super easy to set up and it works. It only requires a 5mm allen wrench. No more expensive trips to the bike shop to have your headset removed and installed.

Of course Chris King is going to bad mouth integrated headsets. He doesn't make them.
Not totaly true...Dave Hickey
Sep 5, 2002 3:38 AM
King does make a version of an intergrated headset.

http://chrisking.com/headsets/hds_perdido.html
but that's their own standard,weiwentg
Sep 5, 2002 4:55 AM
not compatible with even Zero Stack (which so far has not proven to be a disaster, and was easy to install).
I agree, but we need a uniform standard nmDave Hickey
Sep 5, 2002 5:53 AM
I agree, but we need a uniform standard nmbobobo
Sep 9, 2002 3:21 AM
Chris King has never provided a single logical reason why theirs should be the new stanndard. The plain truth is their new design is no better than Cane creeks and they are simply trying to play catchup against Cane Creek in an unfair manner. Basically they are trying to develop a headset monopoly so that they can then not only sell you thier hedsets but also the ridiculous prices on the new headset tools.

truth is Cane Creek beat them to the punch with the new generation of integrated headsets so now all of a sudden they want integrated headset uniformity rules which just by chance happen not to align with Cane Creeks design but use theirs instead. This isn't an example of C King attempting to help bikes or bring a better product to the market, its an example of them trying a sly business move because they missed the boat on integrated headsets while Cane Creek committed to them first.
re: Integrated HeadsetCAAD5 Kid
Sep 5, 2002 8:39 AM
Hey, i wasn't whining about chris king, i was just saying they got their sh*t together. Ya, you don't need to go to your local shop....but what happens to your pretty frame if your intergrated headset isn't adjusted right? Hmmm? You start to do very bad things, like pit the frame, etc. Sorry i'd rather have a system that's lighter, as stiff and i have a variety of PROVEN options.
Numerous standardsCalvin
Sep 6, 2002 2:52 AM
There are different "low profile" designs and standards. At this point in time, is seems likely that there will be no single standard developed. I have just returned from the Eurobike show in Germany, and it seemed to me that each sub-set is getting enough spec to survive. The IS (Cane Creek type) and the Hiddenset (Campagnolo) seem to be the top two in use. Some builders are taking a stance of not using these "low profile" headsets, such as Colnogo.

Be aware that next year might see the bottom bracket world going the way of headsets.
re: Integrated HeadsetSilas_Greenback
Sep 6, 2002 6:49 AM
One of the reasons that I posted my original question was that some bike warranties had been dramatically shortened about the time these headsets were introduced. The headsets may not have provided the only cause; the construction of frames out of two materials may be at the root of this also. Nonetheless, I worry that too much is being incorporated into the frame with the result that makers will no longer stand behind their products for as long. I guess carbon seat or chain stays serve a useful function on some bikes, but the integrated headset seems to have been developed for appearance only. They may work fine, but no one has ever argued that they work better than a separate, high quality headset. Bikes cost too much to come with just a two year warranty like the Eddy Merckx Team SC, which I am sure is a great bike.