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Still undecided - Mavic K's Elite or Campag Protons(33 posts)

Still undecided - Mavic K's Elite or Campag ProtonsIwannapodiumgirl
Jul 25, 2002 3:54 PM
Still unsure between the two. I have upgraded my dream bike (Bianchi XL EV2) from Dura Ace to 10sp Record, and the Mavic Cosmos that came with my dream bike are not Campag compatible.

I am looking for a training wheel that can also be used in races when my Zipp 303's are inappropriate.

How deep are the rims on the K's?

I have read reviews, yet these are not too helpful.

Any other wheel suggestions welcomed.

No Brainergrzy
Jul 25, 2002 4:21 PM
Gee, Italian frame, Italian components, hmmm what kind of wheels?

You probably could swap out the freehub body on your Mavics, but I doubt this is the answer you wanted to hear.

BTW - I'll take the sloppy seconds off your hands.
No BrainerIwannapodiumgirl
Jul 25, 2002 4:35 PM
My LBS told me one can not swap the freehub on the Cosmos - that was my first though. Is this correct?

So, you think I should purchase the Protons grzy?

By the way, where do you live?
and by the way...Iwannapodiumgirl
Jul 25, 2002 4:56 PM
By the way you sound suprise at the choice of Italian frame and components, it suggests there are other frames and components out there?!?!
There are?grzy
Jul 26, 2002 10:00 AM
Huh? There are other components out there besides Italian? ;-)

Since you asked I guess I find it a little surprising that an EV2 is your dream bike - it's not even that exotic (i.e. carbon, ti, unobtanium mix). Then you dis the obviously "inferior" DA for the Campy. So now I think you've got the "center of the cycling universe is in Italy" syndrome going. Ain't no way you can put some shoddy French components on that fine Italian dream machine when Campy wheels are available - when appropriate - I mean you have to stick with the theme - right?

Hey, it's your dream, but why isn't your dream machine a C-40?

To each his own - the Italian stuff annoys me. The special tools, the absurd prices, the goofy sizing issues, the tacky paint jobs, the unwarranted use of carbon fiber.

Dunno for a fact if you can do a hub body swap, but most shops will flat out say "no" even if they don't know. You can pull apart Mavic hubs but you need to get your hands on a long 12 mm hex wrench - not the easiest thing to come by. You gotta realize that there is a lot of commonality in the Mavic parts bin and somehow they must have a setup that works for Campy. Finding the technical info on this isn't always easy - ordering the parts is even harder.

BTW - I live in Santa Cruz area where weird is normal and normal is weird.
Jul 26, 2002 1:45 PM
I think Mavic selling cassettes that are spaced for Campy but splined for Shimano and visa versa....? I swear I've seen them somewhere...
NO There are not...Iwannapodiumgirl
Jul 26, 2002 6:15 PM
Well in my world anyway!

ShimaNO components - Ha!

Mavic components - what happened to the grandson of Zap?!?!

The center of the cycling universe IS Italy - the sooner everyone realises that, the better ;o)

Why is a C-40 NOT my dream bike? Not sure, but I guess they are as common as muck in Sydney Australia. Ever since I was kid, I have wanted a celeste Bianchi. I am now up to my third! You can spot a Bianchi from miles away, assuming it is painted celeste of course.

As for "shoddy" French components, I disagree. The French make good wheels, there groupsets a little questionable though!

Perhaps we all need to respect everyone's choices, and ride in peace? (read: take most of this "rant" as tongue in cheek!)
Jul 25, 2002 5:40 PM
you already have an excellent set of race wheels. so, could you perhaps settle for Chorus/Open Pros for the training wheels? certainly that route will be less costly.
if those were your only set of wheels, I'd get the Ks.
The true no brainerKerry
Jul 25, 2002 5:46 PM
Get just as good a wheel set and save yourself a whole bunch of money. Record hubs, 15/16 spokes, Velocity Aerohead rims. $295 at Colorado Cyclist.
The true no brainerjtkirk15
Jul 25, 2002 6:01 PM
I picked up Campy Scirocco's with Michelin Pro Race tires for $275 shipped. They are my "nice" wheels but for the money you'll save you can get something else for your Bianchi. Just thought I'd throw it out. Don't know how big you are but I've been informed the Protons won't handle too big of a rider. Of course I weigh 195lbs!
The true no brainerIwannapodiumgirl
Jul 25, 2002 6:19 PM
This of course assumes I live in the USA, which I do not, so Colorado Cyclist is out... but the handbuilt wheel is a real possibility. Thanks for the suggestion.

By the way, I weight 70kgs at the minute, and mid 60's in session.
You only need the rearboneman
Jul 26, 2002 12:54 AM
unless you really feel the need for a matched set. Just a thought as you're only using them for training.

The Proton's and Ksyrium Elites are fairly comparable. The Ksyrium SL's are more on par with the Neutrons, again both in price and performance.

Again, buying just the rear wheel is going to save you some money unless you're looking to sell the Cosmos.

If you go with a handbuilt wheel, you can probably get a Mavic Open rim in a color close to your Cosmos' and then a Chorus or Record hub.

BTW, the Cosmos freehub cannot be swapped out for one which works with Campy10 cassettes. Not sure about the Mavic 10 cassettes fitting on the Cosmos freehub but you might want to look into them. However, I've not heard good things about their shifting performance.
Best training wheels = Searsgrzy
Jul 26, 2002 2:56 PM
I'm done with mine and my ballance is getting pretty good.

Pretty funny concept when people get all anal about their "training" wheels. Like what does it really matter if they're really for training - shouldn't they be cheap, durable and just about all used up? Ludicrous when someone calls a new set of high end race worthy set of wheels "training wheels". Probably has a Mercedes for making dump runs and a cottage in the Hamptons.
please convert your weight to pounds - you're confusing us...julio
Jul 25, 2002 11:43 PM
please convert your weight to pounds - you're confusing us...Tim Field
Jul 26, 2002 12:22 AM
We do everything in Stones in the UK! Pounds is more confusing!
multiply by 2.2 guys, come on.....seriously (nm)bigdeal
Jul 26, 2002 4:18 AM
2.27, actually. nmweiwentg
Jul 26, 2002 5:25 AM
wrong.... 2.20462262185.......nmrockbender
Jul 26, 2002 1:42 PM
insufficient caffeine. sorry. nmweiwentg
Jul 26, 2002 7:28 PM
....and the world revolves around us! ;-) - nmgrzy
Jul 26, 2002 10:03 AM
well THAT'S a no brainer ;o) - nmIwannapodiumgirl
Jul 26, 2002 6:16 PM
hugi/open pro!merckx56
Jul 26, 2002 5:09 PM
just got a pair of hugi 240 hubs built on OP's. 28h 2x front and 32h 3x rear. built with double butted 15/16 spokes. front weighs 589 grams, rear is 771 grams. these are actual weights on a digital scale at a jewelry store. 1360 for a set of wheels that are rideable everyday! and they'll only run you around $450 for the set! i can get all the wheels you want, just let me know!
hugi/open pro!opencl
Jul 27, 2002 7:34 AM
How much would the same setup with Chris King hubs run? (and weight?)
hugi/open pro!merckx56
Jul 27, 2002 3:32 PM
you could probably add 150 to 200 grams to the wheelset and the same amount of money to the price. King makes nice stuff, there's NO doubt, but that's a pile of money for a hubset to go in training wheels when something lighter can be had for less. I swear by King headsets but refuse to buy their hubs!
hugi/open pro!Iwannapodiumgirl
Jul 27, 2002 6:42 PM
and pray tell, where did you get these wheels from?
hugi/open pro!Obee
Jul 27, 2002 10:55 PM
If intersested I have a set of Hugi 240's, 28 hole front radial Revolutions on Alex EST 13 rim, rear is 32 hole 14/15 2X drive, radial Revolution non-drive on Alex EST 14 rim. The front weighs 611gr. and rear is 825gr. and this is without the Dura Ace skewers that they come with. They have very low miles and are in as new condition (never raced or been in the rain) $275. I'm selling because I bought a Campy kit and can't use the rear wheel. I find it a little hard to believe a Open Pro setup could be lighter being the Alex rims weigh 380gr. f / 400gr. r.
believe it!merckx56
Jul 28, 2002 9:25 AM
the front weighed 579 and the rear was 771! straight, no chaser!
believe it!merckx56
Jul 28, 2002 10:35 AM
sorry, 589 for front. i'm a bit tired after 55 miles in 100 degree heat!
hugi/open pro!merckx56
Jul 28, 2002 9:23 AM
I ordered them from one of our vendors. They come pre-built by certified DT wheelbuilders. If you are interested, email me at . I can get as many as you need and even build lighter! I rode mine for the first time today and they are very nice.
The hubs are crazy smooth and the wheels are plenty stiff.
re: reminds me of a serious physical illness = Cubic FootNoam
Jul 27, 2002 6:50 AM
Jul 30, 2002 12:32 AM
Thanks for the comments - wheel related and otherwise... always a chuckle is had reading peoples raves and rants - perhaps we are all just a little too angry?

I have decided on the Protons for a couple of reasons. The K's are noisy, and I need to hear myself think. Second, I do not wish to upset the delicate harmony of Italian components on my Italian bike... what was I thinking!

I will look at my bike to see if there are any non Italian components... if so, off they come!!!
Jul 30, 2002 10:44 AM
Guess you're going to be riding on the rims unless you can find some Italian tires. Or is that tyres?

K's noisy - what planet are you from? You've heard Chris King hubs? Anyways if they're making noise then you're not pedaling so I'd have to ask just what kind of "training" you're doing.
Got it in one!Iwannapodiumgirl
Jul 30, 2002 6:10 PM
Of course Italian tYres.... Vittoria's!

I was riding Conti's for a while (yes, I know they are German), but they are too square for me.

I have heard K's can be loud. Of course I will be pedaling, after all, that is what make a bicycle go...

Thanks for the banter - it has brought a meaning to my life ;o)