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zero for 2 on campy permalink and roadside repairs(6 posts)

zero for 2 on campy permalink and roadside repairsColnagoFE
Jul 22, 2002 6:30 AM
OK...I had a first generation permalink fail after about 1000 miles--started clicking and eventually replaced it with a 9 speed superlink which allowed me to ride the chain until it wore out. I replaced the chain at about 3500 miles (those campy 10 cassettes too expensive to take a chance with!).

Second chain I used the permalink again--supposedly the "second generation" permalink that had the bugs worked out of it. Anyway...Sunday I was climbing up to Ward and without much warning the chain made a couple of creaking sounds and just came apart (this chain only had a little over 1000 miles on it). When I inspected the chain it appeared that the permalink pin had worn and the plates just separated. Anyway I had always mouthed off that if this happened I didn't need the special campy chain tool or permalink to repair it enough to get me home. that turned out to be true as i was able to remove a couple of links and just join it together without the permalink. worked fine all the way home, but i took it easy. i definately don't trust that chain now.

anyway...are the new campy chains out now? i'm feeling a bit pessimistic about my track record with permalinks and campy chains in general. any feedback on the new design? or should i just get something like a wipperman 10?
wipperman...C-40
Jul 22, 2002 8:30 AM
The wipperman 10 shifts fine, but I found the stainless model to be a bit noisy.

The wipperman connex link works great for joining a campy chain. I'm using a campy chain with the wipperman link on my bike now.

Did you always use the campy tool and install ONE permalink pin at a time? I've never had a problem with the permalink myself.
LBS installed bothColnagoFE
Jul 22, 2002 8:33 AM
I trust the shop...Vecchios in Boulder. Peter is quite a Campyphile and knows his stuff. I was thinking it was just bad luck with the 1st one, but having a road chain break under normal use strikes me as odd. MTB chains are another story.
re: zero for 2 on campy permalink and roadside repairsgrandemamou
Jul 23, 2002 4:40 AM
I did not have any problems with the permalink but I switched first to a Wipperman, then a Campy chain with Connex link. Either way works fine. Ditch the perma link. As a bonus you will be able to properly clean your drive train.
You DON'T NEED A SPECIAL LINK FOR THESE CHAINSJohnG
Jul 23, 2002 7:05 AM
Just assemble like a standard chain and enjoy life. This is MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

JohnG
BAD ADVICE...C-40
Jul 23, 2002 8:45 AM
I hate to be critical, but as a former manufacturing engineer and machinist, I can guarantee you that reassembling any of the flush-pin chains in the same manner as the old protruding-pin chains is asking for trouble. A special connector link like the wipperman "connex" is critical for maximum safety.

The reason is simple. The (flush-pin) chain pins are much more heavily peened than older style pins. Whenever a pin is removed, it does a lot more damage to the hole in the sideplate.

The Wipperman chain has extremely heavy peening on the ends of the pins. When I shortened one of these chains, it actually left metal shavings in my hand as evidence of the damage. That's why a special connector link is so important to use.

The wipperman link is a simple and inexpensive solution to joining a campy chain. That's what I'm using now. It's a pefect fit.

The consequences of a broken chain can be extreme. I wouldn't risk my life to avoid spending $5 on a connector link.