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interesting article on intergrated headset by Chris King(6 posts)

interesting article on intergrated headset by Chris Kinggsxrawd
Jun 21, 2002 3:13 AM
don't know if many of you already seen this but here it is
http://www.chrisking.com/pdfs/Int%20Headsets%20Explained.pdf After reading the article it makes you think twice about buying frames with integrated headsets.
Internal (Zero Stack) versus intergrated.JS
Jun 21, 2002 8:12 AM
Actually this is much ado about nothing because the integrated headset is already obsolete and rarely used. What is refered to by Chris King as an "internal headset" and known as Zero Stack is commonly mistaken as an integrated headset. Zero stack is just like Chris Kings regular headset except the cups are pressed into the frame and are invisible, if anything happens to them they can be removed and replaced. Nobody is building with inegrated headsets anymore because the headtubes warped in frame production causing a myriad of problems for manufacturers.
What's your experience with internal/integrated?mahoneyjoe
Jun 21, 2002 8:48 AM
I'd really like to hear from anyone who's been riding with the internal headset for any significant period of time; I test road the Look 381i this past winter and just loved it, but based on the CK article, postings on the forums and articles in Bicycling Magazine, I decided to avoid them; ended up scouring the internet to come up with a KG281 in team Kelme colors to use a standard headset; CK and the others took even the "internal" headset design to task and I'm curious what people's real life experience has been re: noise, binding etc.
I actually posed this question on a mountain bike forumJS
Jun 21, 2002 12:13 PM
As they (MTB) have been using them longer and arguably would test the design more. I got quite a few responses but not one negative experience. It seems to me so far that it's a non-issue. I race a Giant NRS with an Internal headset and have had zero problems, we'll see. Incidentally, it would seem to me that CK has a vested interest in internal(Zero Stack) headsets not catching on as Cane Creek holds the patent, maybe that's why CK has their own "superior" design, Perdido.
Struck me as alarmist and defensive.czardonic
Jun 21, 2002 1:52 PM
But maybe that's becuase I have never worn through a headset, and I scratch my head wondering why anyone would pay $100 for a part with so little potential to out-perform a lower cost alternative.

Personally, I wonder if the real motive behind this is that there is nowhere to write CHRIS KING on a headset without external cups.
Struck me as alarmist and defensive.Sim
Jun 21, 2002 3:47 PM
a Shimano competitor said they made bicycle parts, and not fishing parts.
it happens the same with this article.
most brands are using this type of headset.
why not let the consumer try what he likes using common sense???
each brand should waist their time with their products and let competitors do their best or not.
there is another chance " if you can't beat them, join them"