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pop goes the permalinkbianchi boy
Apr 30, 2002 6:21 PM
After bragging the other day about putting 5,000 miles on my C-10 chain, the permalink broke today at the 5,100 mark. Must be like talking about f***s. The funny thing is that I just had the chain checked at my bike shop last week and they said it had plenty of wear left. I just ordered a Wipperman chain from Excel, so I'm gonna try that out for the time being. Does anyone know if the Wipperman chain has a superlink that can be removed by hand? Is the old chain worth keeping as a backup, assuming I get a link to replace the one that broke?
re: pop goes the permalinkda cyclist
Apr 30, 2002 7:51 PM
The guys at my shop today were telling me that Bianchi had told them just to put a dura-ace chain on a campy 10 setup if they didn't have a perma-link handy. Bianchi apparently claimed that alot of pros actually use a dura ace chain with campy 10. Has anybody else ever heard of this?
Yes have heard of D/A for campy 10 N/Mcurlybike
Apr 30, 2002 8:01 PM
Wipperman Chain info...Cima Coppi
May 1, 2002 5:42 AM
The Wipperman chain does come with their version of the superlink, and from previous posts on the board about this chain it is supposed to work well. I will be getting one once my C10 chain is ready for replacement, but in the mean time I am ditching the permalink and getting a Superlink III from Branford. I would suggest that you could do the same, as your old C10 chain is still good. It would be a fine backup chain.

CC
More Wipperman Chain info...grzy
May 1, 2002 9:49 AM
The guy at the Sea Otter said that the Wipperman C-10 chain would be out RSN (real soon now), so I don't know how easy it is going to be to find. Many people have reported here that an SRAM power link works well.

An interesting footnote was that a guy at the DMD had to drop out in the middle of the ride when his Permalink failed. He tried everything to get it back together, but since no one had the Campy tool or parts out in the middle of nowhere he was screwed. He was also very dissapointed that he was forced out of the event by a mechanical problem. Said he'd just had his chain checked at the shop and that it only had 2,000 miles on it. Honestly, this Campy Permalink deal sounds more like a McGuiver MTB story looking for a place to happen. Prior to Campy 10, a road bike chain failure was a very rare thing and mostly a function of neglect.

At 5,000 miles keeping a used chain is like saving used toilet paper - you gotta realize when it's time to toss it. What are you saving - a few dollars for a guaranteed breakdown someplace far from home.
excel has the Wipperman chains now ...tarwheel
May 1, 2002 10:53 AM
The ridiculous thing about the stock Campy chain is that you apparently can't fix it very easily if it busts while you are out on the road -- as what happened in that race -- unless you have replaced the permalink with something else. I don't plan to use my old C-10 chain, but thought I would hang onto it in case the Wipperman chain broke and I needed a backup for a short while. I would order a superlink for it. That's basically what's happened to me this week. My chain broke yesterday, and I'm planning to ride a century this weekend, so I had to pay excel extra postage to get the chain shipped in time. Anyway, I'm gonna try out the Wipperman chain and will be using that instead of Campy if it performs and lasts well.
I have 2 Wippermans right hereDougSloan
May 1, 2002 11:15 AM
They just arrived from Performance -- 2 stainless 10 speed Wippermans. They charge more than Excel, but they have them in stock. I'll write up after using them a bit.

Hey, they say "made in Germany," so they must be good, right? (so much for an "all Campy" bike -- but I'll take reliability and ease of use over "purity" any day.)
excel has the Wipperman chains now ...grzy
May 1, 2002 1:25 PM
BTW - the Wipperman looks *really* well made. Let us know how it works out - I almost bought one for my Shimano equiped fleet.
excel has the Wipperman chains now ...weiwentg
May 1, 2002 3:54 PM
I did, and so far it's working and shifting really well. but I can't truly say how it's working out - I weigh 120 pounds and have put maybe 500 miles on it.
personally, I prefer the SRAM powerlink to the connex link.
More Wipperman Chain info...KurtVF
May 1, 2002 6:36 PM
If the chain isn't stretched, keep it and use it for training with a superlink. For important events use the good chain.
I've got 2k on a Wippermangrandemamou
May 2, 2002 3:53 AM
nickel and zero problems. It does have a replacable link and it goes on really easy. A little easier than SRAM. I replaced the master link last night with a new one. I don't know how long they are supposed to last but for 5 bucks it's worth the insurance. I just keep one as a spare in my CO2 pump but happily haven't had to use it yet.

As far as performance I could tell no difference between it and a C chain with Superlink. I tried it out for S&G. Yes you can save the chain by using a standard chain tool to drive out the old permalink. It's a little hard to get out you just need alot of preassure.

If it were me I would use it as a back up to a back up. The chain is only 30 bucks a Record der. is kind of pricy I would't take the chance.
I've got 2k on a Wippermancurlybike
May 2, 2002 5:48 AM
As a matter of curiosity, have you checked the wear on the chain by measuring over a distance of 12 inches? I know Wipperman is one of the premier industrial chain makers in the world and I am interested in how they perform with bike chains.
I had plannedgrandemamou
May 2, 2002 6:17 AM
on doing a before and after measurement when I replaced the master link last night. Baby cried, picked up the kids from practice and never got around to it. I noticed no degredation of shifting though. I'll try and do it tonight after my ride.
I had plannedDougSloan
May 2, 2002 6:28 AM
I put mine on last night. It went on really easily, so much better than that perma thing. It seemed to shift and sound just like the Campy chain.

I'll measure, too, and compare in a few thousand miles.

Oh, and I put on a new cassette, too, just to be safe, and so I wouldn't prematurely wear out the new chain. (control measure)
I had plannedgrandemamou
May 2, 2002 7:32 AM
It is so easy that I took it off and put it back on a few times thinking that it shouldn't be this easy. I usually dont get rah rah over much of anything but this seems to be a much!!! better solution. My other 2 bikes are 8,9 speed and I plan on using Wipperman on those when the time comes to replace chains.
really squeekyDougSloan
May 3, 2002 5:35 AM
Last night I put about 40 miles on the new Wipperman. Man, that is the squeekiest chain I've ever heard. Now, I did not lube it first, but every other chain I've ever had did not need it right away. Since this one is 100% stainless steel, maybe they don't put all the gunk on it from the factory?
really squeekygrandemamou
May 4, 2002 5:43 AM
I always strip off the factory lube on a new chain because I use prolink or hgnr as lubes. I found it too messy otherwise. So I don't know about the factory lube.

Also, I have the nickel verson. Although, I don't see how the different material would affect the squeaking but it may. Kind of makes sense that SS would not have much lube on it though.

Let us know how the SS version holds up. I wondered how much more durable it would be. I also have Ti on one of my cass. and was concerened about premature wear.
oiled it; it's fine (duh) nmDougSloan
May 5, 2002 7:08 PM
Beuller..... Beuller.......JohnG
May 2, 2002 8:42 PM
What the F have I been saying for soooooooo long. These GD PL's are disasters waiting to happen. You should consider yourself VERY lucky you didn't jack-up your bike or yourself.

Now, go do the right thing. ;)
JohnG