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New wheels DT 14/15/14 or 15/16/15 ?(10 posts)

New wheels DT 14/15/14 or 15/16/15 ?DY
Apr 28, 2002 9:43 PM
I'm looking to have a new set of training/everyday wheels built. Probably go with Open pros and Chorus hubs. 32 holes all around. I ride both flats and some pretty good hills, so I'm looking for a compromise of good lasting strength and lightness. I am 6', 175-180 lbs. Anyone have any experience with these two spokes gauges? Will there be a difference I can feel weightwise and/or a difference strenghtwise? I saw a interesting combo in the Excel catalog. 32 spoke 2x front with the 15/16/15's and then 3x 14/15/14 drive side rear and 3x 15/16/15 non-drive side.

Thanks
re: New wheels DT 14/15/14 or 15/16/15 ?roadcyclist
Apr 29, 2002 4:47 AM
IMHO go with 14/15/14 3x all around (alum. nipples). I have that exact set-up (Chorus, Open Pro) and find them to be super durable. 15/16/15 and the Excel set-up is for race wheels (again IMHO). These suggestions are made based on the fact that you want "good lasting strength". I also believe that the wheel-builder makes all the difference in the world (mine are Colorado Cyclist built).
Revolutions?Chen2
Apr 29, 2002 5:36 AM
Built mine with all Revolutions, 14-17-14 3X. I think they'd be fine for you too if you want them.
~Al
pesonally I'd go 14/15 for driveside rear (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 29, 2002 8:06 AM
Are the Alloy nipples worth it?DY
Apr 29, 2002 2:41 PM
Do they corrode and get hard to use over time as I have heard?
re: New wheels DT 14/15/14 or 15/16/15 ?davet
Apr 29, 2002 6:44 AM
Here is a helpful website. It will let you see the actual weight difference, using different components in your wheel build: http://www.bsn.com/Cycling/Wheels.html
re: New wheels DT 14/15/14 or 15/16/15 ?Mike Prince
Apr 29, 2002 10:09 AM
I think what you saw at Excel may have been their Cirrus wheelset - OP's, D/A hubs and 14/17/14 Revo's 2x up front and Revo's left side, 14/15/14 (with brass nipples) on drive side in the rear. I am 20 or so lbs heavier than you and these wheels have been bulletproof for me for over 5,000 miles so far.

I'm sure that they (or any other good wheelbuilder) could do the same with Chorus hubs for a great all-around wheelset at a reasoanble price. I will say that the build quality from Excel is superb - no tension issues in almost a year of use. I would not hesitate to buy another Excel-built wheel.

I would say that this could be a good project to learn how to build your own wheels, but the Revolution's are a royal pain to work with - lots and lots of spoke twist.

Good luck
Excel upcharged me $15 for record hubs on that wheelset (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 29, 2002 12:16 PM
I'd skip the 15/16'sjw25
Apr 30, 2002 9:20 AM
Some background first: I'm 5'9", 145 lbs, and fairly smooth most of the time. I've built about 25 wheels now, and do a lot of truing for friends.
The first set of wheels I ever built was 32 hole XTR hubs to Sun CRE-16's using 15/16 wheelsmith spokes and alloy nipples. Yep, weight-weenie in training. I ended up switching the rear drive spokes to 14/15's due to tensioning problems, and rode and raced those wheels for 5 years. I only ever broke 2 spokes on the front, but it was due to an accident, not fatigue.
I've since rebuilt the hubs to Aeroheat rims with 14/17 Sapim Laser spokes and alloy nips, and hope to get several more years from them.
When I unlaced the rear hub, I noticed some fairly deep grooving at the spoke holes, caused by the thinner diameter of 15g spokes at the head. It's not that big a deal, but does add more places for stress fractures to form. Since I went 3X, I'm not worried, but the weight difference between 14/17 and 15/16 spokes is slight, and with more material at the ends, the spokes should last longer.
I also seem to have better luck with alloy nipples than most posters - I've only had one break, and it was old and underlubed (wheels from a trade, not my build...), whereas I've rounded a handful of brass nips. Maybe it's my technique, though I use the proper Park wrench and make sure it's seated.
So, I'd say stick with 14/17 Revo's and alloy nips, 3X all around, and I'd definitely recommend the 14/15's drive side. I do think it evens out spoke tension on the rear, and also puts more material on the spokes that'd be damaged by a chain coming off the cogs. Change bearings and grease every year, and these wheels should go a decade, depending on how much you brake.
That sounds like a nice wheelDY
Apr 30, 2002 10:17 AM
Maybe I'll go with the 14/17/14 up front 3x. Back 3x but with a combo of 14/17/14 and 14/15/14 drive side.

Alloy nipples, well I could save about 30 grams or so per wheel. Any advice on black spokes? My last wheel had black spokes and I like the look on my bike, but I cleaned the wheels almost after every ride and the black did seem to look like it was starting to come off.

One other thing. Would this wheel be the thing that I would want to try as a novice wheel builder? (I doubt it) I'll probably have someone build them for me, but I would liek to be able to learn wheel building some day.

Thanks for the advice.