Apr 23, 2002 4:06 PM
|I have worn out a set of Michelin Axle Pros after about 1500 miles. I'm looking for a longer lasting tire with about the same weight. I would favor a tire that I could pump up more than 115.|
|Worn out a set?||Kerry|
Apr 23, 2002 5:49 PM
|You mean you wore out the front tire too? Not likely. Depending on how much you weigh, how smooth your riding style is, how powerful you are, and how much climbing you do, 1500 miles may be reasonable for a rear Michelin. For reference, on smooth roads, mostly flat riding, 90+ cadence, and 200 lbs total (bike + rider) weight, I get around 2K out of a rear Michelin. Also, my definition of "worn out" means casing threads just starting to show through the tread. If you want to use similar racing tires (Conti GP 3000, Vred Fortezza TriComp, etc.) you will get similar mileage to the Michelin - maybe a few hundred miles more. If you want more mileage, you need tires with thicker tread - the old Conti GP (not GP 3000) is good for at least double the mileage of the Michelin but I'm not sure these are still in production. In the mean time, put your front tire on the back, and you'll likely get at least another 1000 miles out of it.|
|Conti GP's are returning in Connecticut. - popular demand? nm||dzrider|
Apr 24, 2002 4:38 AM
|re: Tire Recomendation||bianchi boy|
Apr 23, 2002 6:16 PM
|Performance generally has the Michi HiLite Prestiges on sale for $20-22 each. They weigh about the same as Axial Pros but seem to wear longer. Only come in black & red.
Lots of folks here also have had good results with the Performance Kevlar tires, which generally cost $25-35 depending on whether they're on sale. Conti GP 3000s will probably give you about the same amount of wear as Axial Pros, but the Conti Ultras are supposed to wear longer. If you get the ones with Kevlar beads, they don't weight much more than the 3000s.
Apr 23, 2002 6:42 PM
|Here's the URL--it's the Forte Pro Kevlar, I run them on my road bike:
|re: Tire Recomendation||pa rider|
Apr 25, 2002 4:50 AM
|Couldn't get more than 1600 out of my Conti GP 3000s last year. The rubber looked like bubble gum once i worn them down (2 tires on rear wheel).
I plan on using the ultra 2000 this year for the price difference ($30 VS $45).
|Michelin Axial Carbon||Quack|
Apr 23, 2002 7:12 PM
|2100 miles and still going strong without noticeable flattening. I'm 145lbs. and use them for commuting and training. They aren't quite as grippy as the pros but I still don't hesitate throwing them into corners. Predictable handling. They are very impressive for the price.|
|I've had great luck with Stradius Pro's.||jw25|
Apr 24, 2002 7:18 AM
|I've only got a few hundred miles on mine, but the rear tread looks pristine, and hasn't suffered any cuts yet, and I know I've ridden through broken glass at least 5 times.
They're rated for 150 psi, though I tend to run them lower, around 115 front/125 rear (145 lb rider).
I raced them in the rain last Sunday, and had no slipping at those pressures, either.
Weight's respectable, too, around 220 grams in a 23mm. I've seen them on sale for $25 recently, but can't remeber where. www.qbike.com's probably a good bet.
|Vittoria Open Corsa CX||sodade|
Apr 24, 2002 10:56 AM
|Same Weight as the Axial Pro. Much more gash resistant. Much better handling on all conditions. Once you try it, you will never go back. The only caveat is that you need to get it from the UK cause it is rediculously spendy in the US. (so is the Axial Pro)|
|Vittoria Open Corsa CX||atpjunkie|
Apr 24, 2002 1:07 PM
|agree on the Open Corsas, also try the Vredstein Foretzzas. You can take them to 10 bar (145 psi) and good traction. Axial Pros are hard to beat though and you should be happy with 1500 miles, most tires don't last that long. You can get a thicker and stiffer (higher durometer compound) tire that will last longer but the tradeoff is less traction. The stickier the tire the faster the wear. I get about 1500 out of my axials and fortezzas and I'm a large rider. Some tires I'm happy to go over 500 on the rear without wearing the tread off the center strip.|
Apr 25, 2002 5:49 AM
|I'm a bit dumbfounded by the short tire milage that some people are getting. 500 miles out of a rear? How about some more info about your riding style and weight? Crit racer?
Most of my milage is flat open road stuff and I have no problem getting 2-3K out of a Michelin Synergic (haven't bought tires in a while). I weight about 165 lbs.
|maybe their wheels arent aligned||ishmael|
Apr 25, 2002 8:16 AM
|id imagine that would constantly wear a tire down...the panarcer stradius pro are at www.bikeusa i think it was..and if your lucky they will screw up your order and they will under charge you..|
|maybe their wheels arent aligned||atpjunkie|
Apr 25, 2002 2:52 PM
|in my case it's my size. I'm almost 6'5" and 230 and ride 150-225 miles a week. You'd be suprised what that kind of weight and torque can do to bikes and their parts.
Front tires for me last longer but rears wear fairly fast. I descend like a runaway freight train and it puts lots of stress on the back tire. Never skid unless I'm cut off by a car. I get about 1000 miles on a good rear, if the compound is tacky I get less. For you 165 lbrs put 70 lbs of rock in a back pack and see how much flatter your rear tire looks at 135 psi, then go bomb some 8 mile downhills. It's hard for most "normal" cyclists to understand the world of the Clydesdale as you've never pedaled a mile (century) in our shoes.
I've broken cranksets, bottom brackets (steel, Ti isn't recommended for riders over 165) on my MTB just from regular use. Most parts, even the quote unquote bulletproof items aren't designed for the abuse we "large riders" put on them.
Apr 25, 2002 6:06 PM
|You convinced me why you go though tires so quickly. Sounds expensive actually. I used to ride with a strong Clydesdales but we never talked about technical matters. Actually, riding behind this guy was a real pleasure - the type you may never experience.
Now tell us about your frame and wheels. Anyone that can brake a crank can stress a frame also.
|RE: Next question||atpjunkie|
Apr 26, 2002 11:22 AM
|Yea everybody loves to draft me as well. I'm a one man tandem and push a mean pace on flat/rolling terrain. Only feel my weight when grades are long and over 10 percent and still amaze alot of people at my climbing ability (I'm never first, but I'm never last). Yes it does get costly but hey it's cheaper than a lot of less healthy vices.
Ride Steel actually, 853 Lemond Zurich 2000 and it provides quite a nice ride. I flex the bb a little on sprints but haven't broke it yet (about 10,000 miles). I've tried a few aluminum frames but just don't like the jackhammer ride as much. If anyone knows of a more "plush" Aluminum frame let me know. As far as wheels I train on Rolf Vector Comps and they've stood up to much abuse. I have 2 sets of Open Pro's but those are mostly on my cross bikes (They do well). I don't "race" road, I do some Clydesdale MTB and cross but mostly ride because I love it. I'm going to try some Velomax's (Orions or Circuits to check their stiffness)
RE: frames I've only broken two, one in 1982, early MTB years snapped both welds at the head tube so bike "split in half" and this wreck plus the warranty R&D I volunteered for helped to change from a straight tube BMX style fork to a more road like fork on early pre suspension MTB's. Last year I broke an Ellsworth Truth seat tube just above the front derailleur (I have a photo but can't locate). Most damage has come during MTB rides and I've either been more fortunate or plain lucky with my road gear.
about that crankset, here's a pic. It's a little graphic, I had to pedal one footed about 6 miles with a bloody leg. When the crank broke the arm swung around a did quite a number on my calve. Took 13 stitches and left me with a Nike swoosh of a scar.
|I went back||mickey-mac|
Apr 25, 2002 7:40 PM
|I've used Open Corsa CXs twice over the past couple of years. They ride better than any clincher I've ever used, but they cut very easily. In my experience, Axial Pros were much more puncture resistant and cut resistant. They also wear considerably longer.|| |