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campy 10 speed permalink ..is it needed?(22 posts)

campy 10 speed permalink ..is it needed?53x12
Apr 16, 2002 9:01 AM
Hi,

I was installing a 10 speed chain. I went to my LBS for them to press on the permalink and they laughed. They said they just use a regular chain tool and disregard the permalink. They told me that they have logged thousands of mile on their bikes (along with many other customers) with that set up with no problems. Has anyone else done this or have an oppionion on it?
re: campy 10 speed permalink ..is it needed?flying
Apr 16, 2002 9:54 AM
I have been using a SRAM 9 Gold link since Oct 01
Works fine & you can remove it by hand.
I am a bit leary of master links though & have considered just going back to a standard chain tool practice.
FYI there is an aftermarket 10s link now (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 16, 2002 11:53 AM
Ah............. NO! ............. nmJohnG
Apr 16, 2002 11:06 AM
use the permalinkColnagoFE
Apr 16, 2002 11:52 AM
it's there for a reason. some get by without it, but why? doesn't your LBS know how to install them?
Campy has gone to a new system, anywayRideLots
Apr 16, 2002 12:21 PM
http://www.campagnolo.com/pdf/HD_LINK.pdf
Has anyone used one of these new HD-Links?DaveG
Apr 16, 2002 5:03 PM
Anyone seen or tried the new HD link for Campy10? Anyone know what the new Campy chain tool costs?
No, but......KurtVF
Apr 16, 2002 9:44 PM
what's everyone gonna do with those old permalink tools???
so what's the bottom line?ColnagoFE
Apr 17, 2002 7:30 AM
Is the new link removable? Do you need yet another special tool? Improvement or step back?
"step back" ....... LOL ........ ;)JohnG
Apr 17, 2002 8:00 AM
Sorry, just couldn't resist.

ride on
JohnG
non-CampyRideLots
Apr 17, 2002 8:02 AM
Next time, I'm using an aftermaker link; no way I'm going to keep buying propietary tools and expensive special links from Campy; the new Campy link appears to be about 4-5 links long, why, I don't know, but I'm sure it will be more expensive. They are getting just plain goofy about this.

In fact, I may just ditch the whole Campy chain and get a Wipperman.
Is it just megrandemamou
Apr 17, 2002 11:35 AM
or does anyone see the irony in Perma-link name. It doesn't seem to be very "Permanent". I ditched Campy and have about 1500 k on a Wipperman nickel. It's nice to be able to pull the chain off any time you want to.
Yep, broke my 2nd "Perm" a link Monday while riding - nmShad
Apr 17, 2002 12:29 PM
tell us about the WippermanRideLots
Apr 17, 2002 12:42 PM
How does it shift and sound while riding? Any problems? Can you even tell the difference, other than installation and removal? Thanks.
tell us about the Wippermangrandemamou
Apr 18, 2002 6:48 AM
Not much to say. Which is a good thing. It works and works well. I put a C chain with Superlink just fo S&G to see if I could tell any diff. in the two chains. I can't tell any difference in the shifting.

It's really tough cleaning a drivetrain properly without taking the chain off. That's what I hated about the C system.

My only reservation with Wipperman was durability. IMO the questioned has been answered. 1500+ miles with no problems. The chain goes on and off in seconds and shifts as well as Campy. It's the same price as the C chain. It's a no brainer Wipperman.
thanks! (nm)RideLots
Apr 18, 2002 12:39 PM
Ditch the permalink.....KurtVF
Apr 17, 2002 4:12 PM
Get a couple Superlink IIIs from Branford bike and forget about stupid Campy links and tools. Thousands of years from now archeologists will be finding Campy chain tools and won't be able to figure out what this tool used by primative man was used for.
wipperman link...C-40
Apr 17, 2002 6:21 PM
I just got a couple of the wipperman connex 10 speed master links from performance for $5 each. I also got a wipperman stainless chain, but haven't tried it yet. I measured the wipperman chain and found that the thickness between the inner plates is exactly the same as a campy chain. I put a wipperman link on a campy 10 chain and it seems to work fine. I'd use this link rather than assemble the chain by conventional methods.
3 Campag-10 bikes in household...lonefrontranger
Apr 17, 2002 7:06 PM
multiple chain de & re-installs for cleaning, etc., no permalinks. We just pitch the permalink & install it like a standard chain.

I worked at a Colnago dealer; saw bunches of C-10 chains installed this way on the dealer's & wrenches' bikes. Due to warranty issues, we had to install the customers' chains with permalink.

Guess whose chains failed & whose didn't? Yep. We had 3 chain failures reported while I was there, and every daggoned one was from a permalink, installed to spec with that silly $65 chain tool.
3 Campag-10 bikes in household...Thoth2
Apr 19, 2002 6:04 AM
Anybody want to buy my stupid chain tool? I'm going to rip out that damn permalink tonight. Maybe it won't make noise anymore...
Thoth2
re: campy 10 speed permalink ..is it needed?Ken
Apr 19, 2002 7:18 AM
I've been using the SRAM powerlink gold for about nine months. No problems whatsoever. On another note, once I had to use a permalink to rejoin the chain as I had to remove a bent link. I didn't have "the tool" so I gave the pliers a try. That was a no-go. The squeeze force must be applied equally to both pins of the link at the same time in parralell. "SOB" I said to myself I want to ride now and I don't want to waste this chain. After doing a little figuring I got out the hammer. I put the chain on a flat surface and placed a coin on top of the permalink. With one whack it was done. It worked. Went riding. No problems.

Ken
one pin at a time...C-40
Apr 21, 2002 4:51 AM
Read the instructions that come with the chain. The permalink pins are installed one at a time, using the campy tool. That's probably why so many fail. People take one look at the campy tool and assume that both pins should go in at once, because the tool is wide enough.