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clipless pedals and shoesxxl
Apr 8, 2002 6:31 AM
I have to come out of the closet now and admit that I'm still wearing feet belts (and I've had a perfectly good pair of clipless pedals sitting on the workbench for months). I may take the plunge soon, but had the question: "Fred" issues aside, are the mountain version of most popular road shoes compatible with road pedals? I'd be buying the road shoes, except that I do occasionally get off the bike, and it seems like road pedals get clogged with mud and such. Are there performance issues here that I am unaware of? (I'm not racing these, BTW.)
Apr 8, 2002 8:22 AM
The mtn shoes are becoming compatible with fewer and fewer pedal options.

They used to work with all SPD's, but since the advent of the wider-platformed SPD-R pedals, will only work with SPD mtn pedals (the two sided babies). I believe they are compatible with Ritchey Road Logic, but otherwise you are looking at mountain pedals (not that there's anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld would say). Time ATACs, Eggbeaters, BeBops, Speedplay Frogs, SPDs.

Lots of non-racing casual roadies and tourers use a Mt bike setup on their road bike.
jt is quite right, howevermuncher
Apr 8, 2002 8:54 AM
you can get around a lot of compatibility issues with the aid of a good sharp knife applied to the sole to make a little more room for the cleats. Have to size up the issue first, but you can do it with lots of them. Not a good option with Times though :-) Failing that, stick to spd's - they are cheap and work fine in most situations. Attacks are prob as good a way as any to go as regards road/off road compatibility issues, at not too great an expense.
what kind of pedals do you have?Jekyll
Apr 8, 2002 11:22 AM
No amount of cutting will get a Look, Time (road), Speedplay (X or Zero), etc cleat to fit on a shoe designed for SPD's (99% of MTB shoes). If you want to ride with MTB shoes you will most probably need a set of MTB pedals (I would recommend the Speedplay Frogs - light and lots of float).
what kind of pedals do you have?xxl
Apr 8, 2002 3:11 PM
They're black Ritcheys, which look like some I've seen in the catalogues marketed as mtn. pedals. A friend gave them to me, said they were road pedals. Me, I'm not sure, but they look like road to me. I've been told that Ritcheys are Shimano clones(true?)

I'm looking at Sidi Genius/Dominators, because in their wide sizes they're the only ones I've tried on that fit comfortably on my flukes (13EE). Pricey, but can you put a price on comfort? (Surprisingly, yes; nearly every retailer around here puts a hefty one on it, in fact!) Plus, I understand that the Sidi cleats can be pretty easily switched, to afford compatibility with a greater number of brands of pedal, if I ever switch pedals. Anyway, I thought to run the Ritcheys with Sidis, and I'd rather not have to "alter" them if I can help it. Can I use the Dominators (mtn), or are "road" shoes needed here?

While we're on the subject, I'm new to the clipless revolution, so I'm not clear as to the distinction(s) between road and mtn. clipless pedals. Are most manufacturers using different clipping mechanisms for their lines, or are they basically the same clip with a different "shell" around them, as befits their purpose? Are float, clip tension differences, or other performance factors varied across the two? I appreciate hearing from people here, as I've found most to be well-informed.
what kind of pedals do you have?Jekyll
Apr 8, 2002 3:59 PM
You're in luck.. To my best recollection Ritchey pedals all use SPD cleats. This means that they will work with almost any MTB shoe (and most definitely with the Sidi Dominators). The Dominator is an SPD (or any other cleat that uses SPD style mounts, Time, Eggbeater, etc.) only shoe. I don't think Sidi offers adaptors for the Dom, only for their road shoes.
I have a pair of Dominators which I love dearly, great fit (for me at least), great traction, screw in spikes, great durability. Since you are not looking to mountain bike in these my only reservation would be that they are not the ideal walking shoe. Some of the touring shoes on the market make for a much better choice for a road/touring shoe and most will work with SPD pedals.
So far as the differences (marketing hype aside - maybe): MTB pedals are designed to clear mud, road are not. MTB pedals are more hardy and mostly heavier. Road pedals tend to get you closer to the spindle and have a larger pedal/cleat/shoe interface to help avoid "hot spots" on longer rides. There are some differences in shoes as well. MTB shoes are easier to walk in and the cleat is recessed. MTB shoes are made for running starts and pushing your bike when the incline or the sphincter factor is exceeded. MTB shoes tend to have more compliant soles.
Many ride MTB pedals on the road without ill effects. The same cannot be said of road pedals.
what kind of pedals do you have?xxl
Apr 8, 2002 5:54 PM
Thank you so much for the words o' wisdom, especially as regards the Dominators.
what kind of pedals do you have?granda
Apr 8, 2002 7:06 PM
I just bought some shimano carbon soled road shoes, used them with time ATAC mtn. pedals. Big Mistake - they lasted 3 weeks, but for those 3 weeks I had the most wonderful time feeling like I was welded to the bike - carbon is really nice but not durable AT ALL. I replaced them yesterday with the Dominator 2's and now running with shimano 858's. I like this setup a lot but the engery transfer I get is no where near what it feels like wearing the carbons, but it works and is very versitile. Thing about mountain shoes/pedals is that it is REALLY easy to clip in, if you go spd-r or similar with a road shoe it takes a while to make sure the cleat holds and that your foot doesn't slip off the pedal (sometimes painful).
re: clipless pedals and shoesChen2
Apr 9, 2002 9:32 AM
I tried Ritchey ProLogic two sided pedals on my commuter bike and didn't like them because they were difficult to engage and had no float. One thing I can tell you for sure is that they (mine) were not compatible with SPD cleats. You need Ritchey cleats for Ritchey pedals. The SPD cleats would go in there but were h*ll to get back out.
I think the Ritchey cleats are compatible with shoes designed for SPD cleats.
re: clipless pedals and shoeskilimanjaro
Apr 11, 2002 3:25 PM
Another option is a Lake touring shoe. It is basically a road shoe with a one piece rubber cleat glued on the outer edge of the front sole and basically the entire heel. It is drilled for both SPD and three bolt patterns. I think you can get it at Performance Bike for about $70 for the pair.

This set up allows me to walk with Looks. Don't know about Time, Campy Profit, or SPD road pedals. My only wish is to have the rubber cleat attached to the shoe via bolts like some high end MTB shoes. This way when you don't plan to walk a lot then you can take off the cleat and have a regular road shoe.