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What Wheelset to BuyRoadracer
Apr 5, 2002 9:46 AM
I would like to buy a new wheelset and so would like your input.
I ride a Trek 2300 and weigh between 175-185. I intend to race 5-6 citzen races this summer, ranging in length of 22-50 miles. Most will be rolling terain, a few will have nasty hills. My training area is rolling with a few short steep climbs, almost no flats however.
In terms of price I would like to cap out for the set at no more that $650 and less if possible.
My goal is to shave time off my PR. I have no problem swaping out a set just for races.
So what do you think, what best fits my needs?
re: What Wheelset to BuyTroyboy
Apr 5, 2002 10:18 AM
Get a set of handbuilt tubulars. For about $400 you can get down to 1500 grams.
re: What Wheelset to BuyRoadracer
Apr 5, 2002 11:26 AM
Okay, I suppose that I could try them, never really considered it. If I were to do so, how tough are they to learn? Also is there a particular rim/spoke configuration/maker I should consider?
re: What Wheelset to BuyGalibier
Apr 5, 2002 12:07 PM
Well, I don't think tubulars are the best choice for you at this point. Instead, I recommend that you stay with clinchers. I don't know what wheels you now ride, but an inexpensive choice for a quality training/racing wheelset is 32-spoke Mavic Open Pros. They are light and durable and may well be all you'll ever need. An alternative is the Velomax Circuit Comps, which will be more aerodynamic (and more costly) than the Open Pros.
re: What Wheelset to BuyRoadracer
Apr 5, 2002 12:18 PM
Galibier,

I am not familliar with Velomax Circuit Comps, so I will look into them. I had thought about the Mavic Ksyrium Elites since they are so light. However I was worried that they may not give me that much of a boost since I have so few flat areas/races for the price.
re: What Wheelset to Buyflying
Apr 5, 2002 4:26 PM
""""I had thought about the Mavic Ksyrium Elites since they are so light. """"

I always wonder why folks say the Krysiums are light?
re: What Wheelset to BuyTroyboy
Apr 8, 2002 7:48 AM
Me too. LOL

Roadracer, go see www.oddsandendos.com. There you'll be able to find clinchers, handbuilt for cheap. If you think any Kyserium is light, well, then these will be ultralights.
re: What Wheelset to BuyClue
May 15, 2002 9:18 AM
Okay....I'm clueless about these custom wheelset makers...had no idea they existed....any downsides...it appears the way to go verus the masses like Mavic or Campy

thx
re: What Wheelset to Buyfunknuggets
Apr 5, 2002 12:31 PM
Believe me, this is not intended to be any type of sales pitch, but I came across one guy that builds some fantastic trick stuff. You can reach him by email at hot_cycling@hotmail.com or at his website: http://www.eteamz.com/sites/brazen/

He only builds a limited amount of wheels and is scary affordable. When I get my tax refund back, he is the first person I am going to call. He really knows his wheels and will provide more information about wheels and lacing patterns that you would ever want to know.

For example, here is a recent reply to an inquiry of mine:

It all depends on the components used. Usually my build fee is $25/ wheel which is very competitive. I haven't developed a pricing matrix for every combination, because I work with what I have. Now I have 105 and Velocity
hubs(very nice). Depending on the spokes we select the price for a rear is $155-175. That is built on the Velocity Aerohead anodized silver/black(405g) and comes in multiple colors(though 25-30g heavier for powder-coat). I think the Velocity hub is better than Ultegra, they have 4 cartridge bearings, 3 DS, 1 NDS. I use Belgian SAPIM spokes, just like Lance and USPS. If you want to ride the wheel all the time I use DB spokes for DS(price quoted). If you want to truly blow away the scale, I use a combination of SAPIM Laser 14/17g and CX-Rays speciality bladed($20 extra). Both set are quoted with alloy nipples, but I can do brass too($10 less). 105 are overpriced but they are available($10 less). These wheels climb awesome because they are very light, but better than that you need to spend $$ on a light tire because these accelerate soo much faster than just about anything out there. The rotating weight is as about as low as you can go, but the driveside is supportted by 16 spokes same as your typical 32h wheel. The non drive side is braced with 8 spokes, which requires higher spoke tension and gives the wheel great tension balance.

Not only that but no one else in your riding group has them, and they can be serviced by any shop, most of the Mavics need factory help. I haven't weighed the hubs yet but a light hub only helps if you are building a strictly climbing wheel.
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So... visit the website, make your own decision and good luck!!!
No No No. Get What I got.Sintesi
Apr 5, 2002 12:52 PM
Mavic Ksyriums ssc sl from Totalcycling for <600 bones delivered. That's an $850 value. They look really cool and are very strong and stiff. They'rre light too. You'll dig 'em.
Try www.xpedia.co.uk for less than $500(nm)James
Apr 6, 2002 12:20 AM
Try www.xpedia.co.uk for less than $500(nm)gzig
Apr 6, 2002 8:01 PM
Does that include the $100 for shipping?
I think shipping on wheels from Euro is only about $30(nm)James
Apr 7, 2002 11:30 AM
No No No. Get What I got.Clue
May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
did you consider the Campy Eurus wheelset also from Total cycling or even Parker who is a tad cheaper....
"Stock" wheels work fineKerry
Apr 5, 2002 2:47 PM
DA + Velocity Aerohead, $290 at Colorado Cyclist. You'll get only vanishingly small performance improvements for twice the price. You probably won't find a transition to tubulars that much fun, performance improvements at your level will be no more than the 2X price wheels, and it will be costly for you to learn the whole tubular lifestyle. When you reach the top levels of the sport, small differences in wheel performance will be significant. At your level, your results will be MUCH more dependent on your training. Take the extra $$ and spend it on some on-line coaching.
What are some good sources for on-line coaching? (nm)riney
Apr 5, 2002 8:11 PM
Chris CharmichaelKerry
Apr 6, 2002 4:03 PM
I did a Google search and found at least his site:

www.ridefast.com/

Here's a couple more Google results:

www.cptips.com/onlnch.htm
hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Index.html

Check in Velo News classifieds - there are several listed there as well.
re: What Wheelset to BuyJekyll
Apr 5, 2002 3:13 PM
If you want a great set of custom wheels, built to your requirements and aesthetic choices check out http://www.oddsandendos.com and http://www.speeddream.com - both guys will take the time to discuss your particular needs with you and build a set of wheels that will get you there - And, save you cash in the process (especially Odds and Endoes).
re: What Wheelset to BuySingleBleeder
Apr 5, 2002 3:52 PM
I would say that in most all Cat 5 races that I have observed and participated in the performance of your wheelset has never decided a race. With the obvious exception of wheels that snapped spokes or went horribly out of true.

I agree that the best money spent would be on a coach or by working less and getting more time to ride each week.
As one of the wheelbuilder that was mentioned in another post, I would also comment that I almost always used a special set of race wheels even in charity type rides I have particpated in.

In my experience the performance advantage of hand built wheels will exceed that of most all exotic wheels into the $850 range. Whereas they may have a racer look and appearance, the wheel tests confirm that the performance is not really there to justify the $300-450 price differential. Start with a good builder, add quality components and you can get high performing wheels that will not break the bank and have personal touch not available in any Kyrsium pre-packaged and over marketed product.

Nearly all my wheels cost less than $400 and will outperform the overbuilt mass issue low AL spoke uber wheels available.

Good Luck with the racing. Eric Brandt Brazen Cycle Works
re: What Wheelset to Buygrzy
Apr 5, 2002 4:05 PM
For that kind of money you can't go wrong with a set of Ksyriums, but for for significantly less you could get a pretty serviceable set of conventional wheels. I originally felt that the K's would be for events only, but they've proven to be so bomber and nice to ride that they've been my everyday wheels for the past two seasons. One thought may be that if you're racing crits, where crashing is part of the game, you may want something that's easier to rebuild & salvage.
Mavic Ksyrium SSC SL....C-40
Apr 7, 2002 6:40 AM
A great wheelset, used by many pros, and available for $560 or less, from totalcycling.com. Total Cycling will ship by air (from Ireland). The wheels will arrive in only a few days. While you're ordering, get some Conti GP3000 tires real cheap too.
Mavic Ksyrium SSC SL....atpjunkie
Apr 10, 2002 12:36 PM
also look into the Velomax Orions. They are similar to the Ascent (their top racing clincher) but a little more heavy duty. Everybody remember this guy is not a 145 lb'r. I think you'll flex the Ksyrium scc's as you will most of the light weight low spoke wheels.
There's a guy on ebay who sells the Orions for about 449 new and the Circuit Comps for about 100 bucks less. Personally I agree with the hand built guys. Find a good wheel builder, use Mavic Open Pro's and whatever hubs you choose. He'll build the wheels for you, your riding style and keep it affordable
Mavic Ksyrium SSC SL....Clue
May 15, 2002 9:05 AM
Did you consider the Campy Eurus wheelset also from Total ?

just curious for I am in the market...

thx