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Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACE(14 posts)

Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACEWoof the dog
Apr 1, 2002 12:47 AM
I keep saying Durace and Record are simply different, but both work just as well. Other dumbsh!ts keep saying that Campy is more serviceable, has better shifters, and somehow more Euro and therefore better. Come on! They also say shifters are less prone to damage than durace but I am not buying it.

I need good, and I mean GOOD, arguments in defense of Dura Ace.

It may sound like a flamebait, but I am simply looking for a short objective! answer or a link to an old thread. I will search for old threads later on myself, but help your dogg out if you can.

Thanx a bunch

Woof, the shimanog.
re: Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACEboneman
Apr 1, 2002 1:49 AM
I ride both DA 9 and Record 10 and yes, they're different but both work well. The Campy shifters are more easily serviceable but spares are available for both DA STI (at least in Europe) and Record ErgoPower.

More Euro? I live in Europe and although the number of modern Campy users in getting closer to Shimano, it's still not 50/50 and that's including Italy.

I've hit the deck with both groups and neither's better than the other but again, I certainly wouldn't use this as a criteria for picking one over the other.

The DA vs. Record makes for interesting reading but that's all. I like them both equally well.
How about 3 year old stuff?Spoke Wrench
Apr 1, 2002 7:19 AM
My LEAST favorite thing about Shimano is difficulty in obtaining parts for three year old bikes. Course you don't have to worry about that with Campy, cause if you're not in a pretty good sized town, you won't be able to find repair parts for a brand new bike either.
re: Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACEmerckx56
Apr 1, 2002 10:00 AM
from abici bikes...
dura-ace group(basic)$725
record 10 group(basic)$950
$225 is a big diff to me. i would love to ride record ten, but there are so many external variables. like the fact that i have ridden 9 speed d/a for thre years and have 7 sets of 9 speed shimano wheels. like the fact that my d/a stuff works perfectly and makes me want more.
some people like campy for the reasons you mentioned. i hear grumblings about the shape of the hoods on campy. people say it gives a "flatter" contact area where bars and shifters meet. i hate to break campy fans hearts, but it's the bar and not the shape of the shifter! ritchey pro bars and shimano shifters=3.5 inches of flat area where the two join!
campy is more serviceable, but no shop has the parts and they are very difficult to get from any warehousers. if my d/a crap breaks within the warranty period, i get a new whatever-it-was from shimano. same with campy stuff. if it's out of warranty, i'll buy a new one! have you ever tried to re-build a campy ergo shifter? i have and takes a while,and you'd better be extremely dexterous or have a prehensel tail to help you hold the innards of the ergo shifter in place!
as for more euro, if that was a valid point, we'd all be riding 5 speed downtube on steel with tied and soldered spokes, just like the uci wants!
if you like the way something rides and have the money to buy it, just buy it and don't slam others for riding the competitor! like my 84 year old,beer-drinking grandmother says, "six of one, half dozen of the other". now, i don't know if she was talking about a six pack of beer or...
re: Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACEmackgoo
Apr 1, 2002 10:34 AM
How about, "I'm a poser and care what other people think, so I picked Dura Ace"?
re: Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACEcollinsc
Apr 1, 2002 1:13 PM
How about, "I'm a poser and care what other people think, so I picked Campy Record"?

Dont tell me it doesnt work both ways.

(fyi, this is not a flame and "you" used herein does not imply "mackgoo")

We've been over it a million times on this board, there is no damn difference. Anything you say for one side or the other can be boiled down to personal preference. If youre not capable of justifying having something because you like it better then you are one weak willed sap of a person.

Theres no difference between the two and when youre spending upwards of $1000 (when you know damn well that ultegra or daytona will work just as well for your purposes) on all these parts it would be just idiotic to ignore your simple preference.

I honestly dont understand why there is such concern over this issue. All anyone should be concerned about is what is on their own damn bike, not anyone elses.
if $ are a concern just get chorusColnagoFE
Apr 1, 2002 11:14 AM
same functionality...only slightly heavier than record. i'd put chorus over d/a anytime but YMMV.
Finish the postliu02bhs
Apr 1, 2002 2:56 PM
your post didn't completely come out due to length restriction. I'm interest in the rest of the post. Can you please finish it?
that was it!(nm)merckx56
Apr 2, 2002 8:57 AM
I like Campy because of Shimanomhinman
Apr 2, 2002 5:50 AM
I have XTR rapid rise MTB, which means that to go to a bigger gear (smaller cog) I use my thumb, and my index finger to go back. Campy levers use the thumb to go bigger, and fingers to go smaller. Therefore when I switch bikes, the general action is the same.
re: Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACETroyboy
Apr 2, 2002 12:57 PM
I ride both. Firstly, I like being able to shift multiple gears on the rear cog that Campy offers. With DA, you must click the little lever 4 times to go four gears smaller in back. Small and subtle, but after spending a couple hundy on the Campy ride and getting back on the Shimano, a true bummer.

Secondly, it is my preference, but I don't like having to push the entire brake lever to change gears with DA.

Thirdly, perhaps it's just a bad lever, but with about 400 miles on a new set of DA levers, they have developed a bad problem of not wanting to switch into the large front chainring. When it's on the stand and I push only the large lever, at the very bottom, exactly to the side or with front pressure, it works fine. However, when out for a ride with my small hands, it has become impossible. Just a little inward pressure on the front ring downshift lever and it's out of whack and doesn't work. Just a little *braking* type movement back and same thing. It's my crit bike and I'm right in the middle of racing nearly every weekend, so I deal with it rather than take it apart and have the shop send the lever back to Shimano for who knows how long.

I used to say they're just different, however, comparing my Campy rig to my DA rig right now, the above plus an extra gear, I give the Ergo the definite win.
Apr 2, 2002 2:44 PM
You can add more to the cost debate. Not only is Campy more expensive you then get to buy all the special Campy-only tools. Now if you run MTBs you know Shimano is king and the same tools work for both road and MTB. Shimano has been the real innovator anyway - index shifting, STI, SPD pedals, spline BB, hollow crank arms, etc. The Italians are always playing catch-up and charging you more for their slacking.
re: Oh oh, CAMPY R vs. DURA ACEBennnny
Apr 2, 2002 9:15 PM
I work in a bicycle manufacturer that is one of the distributer of campy and shimano so i pretty much know and service both a lot.

Yes they are different but good components have to be equally good performance-wise. Campy shifters will never have as precise shifting as shimano. There's alway's an overshift with campy lever whether u upshift or downshift because the inner mechanism is not like a ratchet.

-Campy hub's are not that good because the new one's use 5/32 ball bearing, a little bit to small and they wear out
inside 10000km.
-c-10 chain wears out in 4000km that's pretty fast and the spockets need to be changed around 8000/10000 km.
-Mechanical parts in the shifting levers are the same in all the group's starting from Mirage-veloce-centaur-chorus
sounds cheaper now.
-Mechanical parts in the hubs are the same from Centaur-Chorus-Record.

So you pay a lot for a little bit of weight and fragile carbon fiber parts, your best buy, from my point of view is the centaur because mechanically is almost the same as record that is 1000 and up $$$$$$ more

D/A components are very good, if you grease the hubs every 8000/10000 km you will have the groupo for a long time
- Brakes are much better and stronger on the Campy side, and the brake pads last a long time

The big issue here is that if you have a big fall and you brake your levers: If shimano= $$$$$$
If Campy = change only the broken parts $

If you have any questions about campy or shimano just ask
thanx all!!! nmWoof the dog
Apr 4, 2002 11:56 AM