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What's the best ti frame?(15 posts)

What's the best ti frame?mootsdude
Mar 26, 2002 12:52 PM
Looking for anyone's opinion. Does anyone have first hand experience with Seven Axiom, Serrotta Legend Ti, Merlin Extra-light, Litespeed Vortex, or Moots VaMoots?
Define best (nm)Kerry Irons
Mar 26, 2002 8:02 PM
Yupjtolleson
Mar 27, 2002 7:20 AM
I went through a long ti selection saga recently. I bought a Seven Axiom, if I was looking Litespeed, I'd have bought Tuscany, not Vortex, and if I'd have bought Serotta, I'd have bought Concours not Legend.

It depends a lot on riding needs. I am a century riding machine, and do a few Colorado endurance oriented events (though none so long as a true brevet). I do not race at all, and comfort is king.

The Legend's three tubes of "Colorado concept tubing" which is the more shaped and stiff tubeset of Serotta ti, was too much. The Concours had less of it, and to me less was more. Similarly, the Vortex was more of an aggressive set up for my preferences, so the Tuscany was in the running.

The other issue is whether you'll need custom sizing, because every manufacturer prices it differently and I'm assuming price may play SOME role in your selection.

I did not look at Moots, because I wasn't working with a Moots dealer. Obviously have heard great things.
re: What's the best ti frame?mootsdude
Mar 27, 2002 5:15 AM
I've owned a VaMoots for 9 months and have put 4k miles on it. I'm completely impressed with all the qualities of the frame. I've looked closely at other ti frames and the obvious build quality of the Moots is phenominal. I rode a steel Paramount for 12 years prior and always seemed to experience stiffness in the lower back after long rides. This is probably more a sizing issue since the frame was a bit small. No stiff back with the Moots! It also dropped nearly 5 lbs. off the Paramount. It seems to me the Moots is an exceptional all around ride that offers the stiffness/light weight of an aluminum frame and the compliance and ride qualities of a good steel frame. So, to define "best", I would have to say a frame that offers all the qualities listed above. It has to be a frame that will be just as thrilling to ride in 20 years as it is now.
try the search functiongtx
Mar 27, 2002 7:24 AM
type any of those model names into the search and you will find a lot of bickering, but you may also find some useful information. I'd also add IF to your list. If it fits right, you're not going to go wrong. Good luck.
I've got two of eachpmf1
Mar 27, 2002 7:31 AM
and I like my Vitus best.

Honestly, what do you think you'll accomplish with this post? Anyone who owns one of these frames will chime in that its the greatest bike ever. Then it will degrade into a war about why other frames (usually Litespeeds) are not as good based on random criteria such as the size of the manufacturer, the appearance of the welds, type of tubes, etc. You'll get no useful information. Its doubtful that anyone here has two of these frames, much less all five. And even if someone did, how do you know that what this persons considers to be a nice riding bike will be the same as what you consider to be a nice riding bike?

The sad part is, you'll have to choose one and never know if you made the right decision. You'll probably never find a bike shop (or shops) where you can test ride one in your size. The good part is that any of these frames are probably going to make you happy. None of them suck, all of them will fit.
I've got two of eachmootsdude
Mar 27, 2002 10:42 AM
Didn't intend to start a war. I own the Moots and am sure I'd be just as happy with any of the frames mentioned, given proper sizing. Although it's unlikely anyone owns more than one of these frames, I figured they may have knowlegde of their unique characteristics and share some "useful information" while being somewhat objective.
good luck (nm)pmf1
Mar 27, 2002 10:57 AM
Ahemgrzy
Mar 28, 2002 11:09 AM
Currently own 2 Serotta Legend frames, but one is for sale.
What size? Maybe interested.(nm)davet
Mar 28, 2002 9:54 PM
What size? Maybe interested.(nm)grzy
Mar 29, 2002 11:08 AM
54 cm standard geometry, Reynolds Ouzo Pro fork (left long for spacers0 and Campy HS - asking $1,500
I have two of them,TJeanloz
Mar 29, 2002 7:37 AM
Actually, three- two Extralights (pre-Litespeed, if that's important), and a Vortex. All three are set up identically. The Merlins are not anywhere near as stiff as the Vortex. I prefer the Vortex, but I can easily see the merits of the Merlin, and I can understand that somebody who wants a plush, all-day kind of bike would love the Extralight.
Best post of the year so far!!! ..........nmJohnG
Mar 31, 2002 10:26 PM
The one you own.grzy
Mar 27, 2002 8:54 AM
Seriously, they're all good frames and you'll have to descend into subjectivity-land to call one the clear winner.

Look inside for approval or else become a willing slave to fashion.
With choices like those...agilis ti
Mar 27, 2002 10:35 AM
I would gladly blindfold myself and throw darts to decide the winner. In short, no loosers here ride and see for yourself