|Salsa Quilled Stems||Ligon|
Mar 8, 2002 7:32 AM
|Hey guys and girlz,
I am getting a new quilled stem for my ride and am considering the Salsa S.U.L.(stiff upper lip) or the Classic road. I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with either. Did you like them or not? Also, does anyone have any suggestions for a new bar?
I am just interested in some other peoples opinions and curious to see what kind of bar some of you ride.
Thanks in advance,
|re: Salsa Quilled Stems||gtx|
Mar 8, 2002 7:41 AM
|I have had good experience with all of their stems. The new SUL seems to be a good design (just put one on my girlfriend's mtb) but I think the classic stem looks better on a road bike. For bars it's all about shape, weight, price and durability. What are you looking for?|
Mar 8, 2002 10:48 AM
|I am looking for a bar with an ergo bend and I do not want to much drop. I really want a bar that is not going to flex when I'm out of the saddle climbing. I weigh about 175lb so I am not a clydesdale but I'm no featherweight. Weight is not a big issue but will be taken into consideration, I am not looking for a 195g bar but I also do not want a boat anchor. Price is not really that big of deal. I am willing to shell out some cash for a good quality bar, I don't want to be cheap and buy a piece of $hit!!!!!!!|
Mar 8, 2002 11:48 AM
|I like the Cinelli model 66 (deep drop). Check out the 64, which has a more shallow drop. Also has ergo bend. Pretty sturdy, classic bar.
|S.U.L. = best new stem design since open-face...||TJeanloz|
Mar 8, 2002 7:44 AM
|The SUL is the best new design to come through in years. Finally, somebody with a engineering brain met somebody who manufactures stems. The design takes most of the stress off the bolts, and puts it onto the chro-moly stem where it ought to be. Very strong design, better than Ritchey- but heavier too.|
|re: Salsa Quilled Stems||laffeaux|
Mar 8, 2002 8:21 AM
|I have an SUL on my road bike. I prefer it to the classic, solely because it has a removable face plate. After having removable face plate stems on both road and mountain bikes, I will never even consider buying a stem without one - the ability to replace a stem without having to remove the tape/grips and shifters is the best idea to come along since the wheel (maybe I exagerate). |
As far as function goes, it's stiff and holds the bar in place. Can't say much beyond that. It works well.
Asthetically, I think it's the best looking quill stem on the market. It's a bit pricey, but if you want a nice looking bike, it's worth it.
The only odd thing that I've noticed is that the paint is really thick. So thick that the painted portion of the stem can not be inserted into the frame (I have a King headset). Be aware of this when you buy it so that you get the proper rise.
|I have a question||Breakfast|
Mar 8, 2002 9:06 AM
|I have the classic in a 12cm size and on the bike the angle makes it appear to be almost level with the top tube or slightly tipping down towards the front wheel. So, what angle is it?
Is 90 degree and 0 degree the same thing? Is 105 degree more rise? And what about 84, and 74 degree?
|I have a question||TJeanloz|
Mar 8, 2002 9:42 AM
|90 degree and 0 degree are the same. They appear to rise because of the head tube angle.
73.5/74 degree stems appear level to the top tube (unless there's a whacked-out head tube angle).
105 degrees is an upright stem.
84 degrees is (obviously) a step between 74 and 90 degrees.
|re: Salsa Quilled Stems||tarwheel|
Mar 8, 2002 10:49 AM
|I have a Salsa SUL in the threadless version. I settled on the SUL after trying a bunch of different stems. The only downside is that they're a little heavier than comparable aluminum stems (Salsa is mostly cro-moly). You definitely ought to get the SUL version because of the removable facecap, which makes it much easier to switch parts. |
In my case, I chose the Salsa because I needed a stem with a +15 rise (105) and it was one of the few offerings in that range. I also like the appearance because I have a steel bike with narrow (that is, not oversize) tubing and most of the other threadless stems are much fatter in appearance and didn't seem to look right.
As far as bars go, Salsa also has some good options in that area. I have a Ritchey WCS, which I like because it has a shallow drop and ergonomic shape. It is much easier to reach the shifters than with other bars I've used, and I am able to ride in the drops much more because of the shallow drop. Salsa bars also are available with shallow drop.
Some other stem alternatives to consider are the TTT Motus, Mutant, and Deda Murex -- all of which are available with removable facecaps.
Mar 8, 2002 11:57 AM
|I know what you mean about fat aluminum stems on a steel bike. I have a steel mtb with a 1" steerer. When I was trying to find a new threadless stem for it, it really looked odd with the oversized AL stems on it. Finally I found a stem which was made of smaller diameter ovalized AL, and it looks much better.|
Mar 8, 2002 1:36 PM
|You might look at the Ritchey bars, the WCS, Biomax and Logic Pro. I have Ritchey bars on three of my bikes. I like them because of the relatively shallow ergo drops, wide tops and short reach. Very comfortable on long distance rides.|
|I love my ITM Eclipse and dislike Salsa||tuffnick|
Mar 8, 2002 11:44 PM
|I had a Salsa on my track bike last year but I've come to dislike Salsa a lot.
1) they put automotive paint on the stems which is very thick so to get the stem all the way down in my frame I had to sand a lot of it off which made the stem very ugly and rust easily
2) Salsa's take on sponsoring riders upsets me. I know they do some but the way they treated me is ridiculous. I sent them an intital email checking whether or not they would be interesting in seeing my race resume then sent it to them and they never got back to me even after multiple follow-ups. ITM on the other hand does a fair ammount of sponsorship stuff for amateur riders. I'd much rather support a company like this.
3) The Eclipse is just polished steel so it has no problem sliding into the frame and is also a work of art that should almost not be on a bike with the tube horizontal at the handlebar clamp and vertical at the quill to maximize stiffness. Its noticeably stiffer than my old classic road.
For a handlebar the ITM Millenium is a super nice bar as well.
www.podiumbound.ca (podiumbound.ca/test/ for sneak peak)
|I'd watch my mouth if I were you,||TJeanloz|
Mar 9, 2002 9:55 AM
|Just a friendly tip:
If you plan to be around this sport for a while, it isn't smart to talk poorly of a company that didn't sponsor you. It may well come back to haunt you.
Try, at all costs, to be positive about a company- you don't have to say good things about its products (and you absolutely shouldn't if they aren't worth the metal they're made out of). It's part of being a sponsored athlete that you need to be happy about all the crap that gets put on you.
For all you know, Salsa is putting together a North American Junior Track All-Star team, and is going to ask you to be on it, but can't say anything until they nail down the title sponsors. It isn't likely, but it isn't worth spoiling your chances.
|Thanks for the replies!! nm||Ligon|
Mar 9, 2002 2:10 PM