|Campy Record downgrades||mhinman|
Feb 28, 2002 7:17 AM
|I am getting ready to order a Colnago MXL with Record, however I am considering a couple of strategic downgrades to Chorus for durability. I am a strong 190-195 lbs rider, and as such I worried about the Ti axle record pedals, from both a flex and durablity standpoint. Also I am considering a downgrade to the all steel Chorus cassette, and the Ti Chorus seatpost, because I do not trust CF seatposts.|
|re: Campy Record downgrades||DY|
Feb 28, 2002 9:23 AM
|I'm a big rider (185) and I went with Chorus. I've heard of some problems with the CF seatpost. I think a lot of this is due to over tightening. It doesn't take that much effort and you have to develop a good feel. Also a nice click torque wrench is what I use to work on my bike. If you do get the CF post, notice that now manufacturers are advising to spin the seatpost clamp around. So that the opening is on the opposite side from the split in your seat tube. This is to help spread the load evenly. The Chorus Ti seatpost is pretty light and I've had 0 problems with it. Some have complained that the use of teeth in the seat angle adjustment limits you, but I've been able to find the correct angle to suit me.|
|torque wrench recommendation||schills|
Feb 28, 2002 5:18 PM
|I'd greatly appreciate it if you could recommend a suitable torque wrench for bicycle maintenance, along with any buying tips and what to look for. |
|re: Campy Record downgrades||SnowBlind|
Feb 28, 2002 9:45 AM
|I'm a bigger rider (225) and I downgraded the bottom bracket, as the Chorus is stiffer, but kept the ti-steel cogs. I also downgraded the shifters, because I did not like the carbon shifters, or the rear dr, they look like one good whack and it is time to replace.
I doubt that the Ti shafts on the record would make much of a diff, the triple bearings are nice though. On the other hand the ~100 bucks you save will pay for part of a new pair of Castelli's!
|re: Campy Record downgrades||rob|
Feb 28, 2002 10:17 AM
|You shouldn't have any problems with Ti pedal axles these days. Campag used to use 'Commercially Pure' titanium in the old Super Record days. CP Ti is not nearly as strong as titanium alloys. Remember Laurent Fignon snapping his Ti BB axle in front of all those tv motorbikes back in 83/84? They scrapped there ti axles after that.
Having said that, I have snapped steel bb axles as well so....
As far as seatposts go, I went for the Ti Chorus post as its likely to last longer than the carbon one IMO and looks just as good but 'in a different way'. The alloy heads of all there seatposts are exactly the same be it Record, Chorus etc.
I have never seen the point in paying good money for Ti or part Ti cassettes.
Feb 28, 2002 12:11 PM
|I can't say that my experience was typical, but I crashed my Record-equipped bike pretty hard a year ago, laying it down on the left side and putting me on crutches. Maybe kevlar works well in bulletproof vests, but the panels on my saddle were torn up!
The levers, however, emerged completely unscathed, except for a torn rubber hood. The clear coating over the carbon fiber on the levers wasn't even marred.
Feb 28, 2002 3:16 PM
|Your probably right.
Carbon is funny stuff, it can be very strong until it is hit along the wrong axis and it shears off.
I saw a Record shifter take took a minor hit from a rock, cracked it along the axis.
|re: Campy Record downgrades||mhinman|
Feb 28, 2002 10:00 AM
|Coming from MTB'ing, Ti BB and pedal axles are usually only recommended for lighter riders less than 180 or even 160. I know that the Record BB is steel, but I was concerned with the pedal axle. As for reversing the clamp to even out the tension, the MXL is steel and doesn't have a removable/reversable clamp, besides I love Ti seatposts, because of the way they absorb shock. I have played with CF bars on my MTB, and I have 2 broken Easton CT-2 bars in my workshop (granted one broke when I T-Boned a van that pulled in front of me). I am not leary of CF as a frame material, but don't trust it for bars, and especially seatposts.|
|Makes sense to me||grandemamou|
Feb 28, 2002 12:44 PM
|I also went with Ti seat post for the same reasons and I have never regretted it. I started with the Ti/steel cassette and I did not have a problem with durability. It was a cost issue. Why spend so much for a cassette your going to have to replace at least once a year? The weight diff. is minor. If you don't mind the cost, the Ti cass. should be fine. Can't help with the pedals though I've never used either of them.|
|Obviously, you're not worried about weight||pmf1|
Feb 28, 2002 1:13 PM
|so why not. I'm sure the Record stuff would hold up to what you dish out. I've never broken the ti axles on my Time pedals, or had problems with any of the carbon posts I've had. Would you fear a carbon or ti frame for the same reasons? I wouldn't. On the other side, you'll save a bit of money and the weight difference will be negligible --- esp given that the MXL isn't a light frame (nice though). I find that ti cassettes (I have Shimano) wear quicker than steel ones.|
|Obviously, you're not worried about weight||Get Dura Ace|
Feb 28, 2002 1:58 PM
|You'll save cash over record, be just as light as record and have no worrys about carbon seatpost, BB, or derailleur parallologram failures. Shifts smoother too.
If you need 10 speeds I can understand going with Campy, but if 9 satisfies you, I can see no logical reason to pick Campy over Shimano other than the desire for a snob appeal image.
|Obviously, you're not worried about weight||SnowBlind|
Feb 28, 2002 2:18 PM
|Where did I put that flamethrower...
Damn, outta fuel....
|what's wrong with snob appeal?||colker|
Feb 28, 2002 3:12 PM
|anyway.. dura ace is not exactly part of a workingman's way of life is it? why not sora? in the end it's in the legs isn't it?|
|snob appeal?||Kurt VF|
Feb 28, 2002 5:23 PM
|You're forgeting that maybe Campy is just plain better???|
|Obviously, you're not worried about weight||mhinman|
Feb 28, 2002 3:01 PM
|I think Ti and carbon frames have proven themselves, however the MXL is a thing of Beauty, and I like the lugs. CF Seatpost IMHO have proven themselves yet. BTW I like the way Campy shifts over Shimano.|
Feb 28, 2002 3:16 PM
|my bike has a ti record seatpost. the shinny ti surface likes to slip in the frame. maybe the matte chorus post is cured from the habit otherwise i would recommend a steel centaur post. same clamp, beautifull and it works.|
Feb 28, 2002 4:25 PM
|I'D CONSIDER FULL CHORUS|
Feb 28, 2002 8:03 PM
|Why not just go full Chorus and save yourself a bunch of money? The Chorus/ti seatpost was Record just a few years ago (in fact mine says Record on the side, although it came with a Chorus group). The Chorus/steel cassette is already overpriced compared to Shimano. I can't imagine why anyone would pay $200-something for a ti cassette that will wear out twice as fast as a steel one, and it doesn't even save that much weight.|
Mar 1, 2002 5:21 AM
|I was originally considering a Chorus grouppo, however I have a nice bonus coming, that will more than cover it, and more importantly, I have the CFO's (wife) approval. Approvals like this are few and far between so I have to leap at the oppritunity.|
|all chorus w/ record hubs and crank nm||Spirito di Finocchio|
Mar 1, 2002 5:34 AM
Mar 1, 2002 7:30 AM
|Consider Chorus with Record crank, ergo and rear deraileur.|
|Close to full record price||mhinman|
Mar 1, 2002 8:37 AM
|Aren't those the components that make up most of the cost difference between Chorus and Record.|
|re: Campy Record downgrades||mhinman|
Mar 1, 2002 9:07 AM
|I am probably going to get the Record Steel-Ti cassette, it comes with the grouppo, and I probably wouldn't get much of a price break downgrading it to Chorus. When I wear it out I may go down to Chorus. I will Definately do the Chorus Ti seatpost. It is just down to the pedals. Speedplay X-1 Ti axle pedals have a 180 lbs limit, and some manufactures seem to have a word of mouth limit (nothing in writing). I am not a weight weenie, but I do like a light component as long as it strong and durable first, especially if it critical structural piece.|
|re: Campy Record downgrades||Ken|
Mar 4, 2002 7:19 AM
|As far as the cassetts are concerned I have both the all Ti cassette and the all steel Chorus cassette. When I swapped out the all Ti Record cassette for the all steel Chorus one I couldn't tell if there was a difference in performance. The all Ti is a 13t-29t one while the all steel one is a 12t-25t one. For my dough I'd never get an all Ti cassette again or probably even a Ti/steel one at that. I'm going Chorus for my next cassette, again. |