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SPD cleat with more floatsimstress
Feb 26, 2002 8:56 AM
Is there such an animal as an SPD cleat with more float?

I used to wear my road shoes with Look cleats to Spinning-- that worked great. Since changing to Speedplays on my road bike, I have been wearing my MTB shoes with SPD cleats to Spinning, but that bothers my left knee a bit. I've been repositioning the left cleat, but it just occurred to me that there might be a better cleat to use. I don't know which cleats I have now; they came with my K2.

Eventually, I'll get new road shoes so I can relegate my current pair to Spinning duty. That's not in the budget right now though, and my knee still hurts! (Funny thing is that the SPD's on my mountain bike don't bother me at all, just the Spinning bike.)

Any info?
re: SPD cleat with more floatChen2
Feb 26, 2002 9:34 AM
Like you, I've converted to Speedplay but still use SPD's for commuting and sometimes on tours if I plan to walk a lot. I've used several different SPD cleats and two different road pedals. The amount of float you get varies with the cleats but also varies with the pedals. The Dura-Ace 7410 pedals have more float but were discontinued in '98. If you can find SH 71 cleats they MAY give you more float. Also the SH 51's have some float. But if you have to buy new cleats they get a little expensive, best to try them out to see how much float you actually get.
Feb 26, 2002 3:56 PM
Or at least that's what I think they're called. In any event most people know them as "multi point release" cleats - just a fancy way of saying they rounded off the hard corners and flat surfaces to make a clea that releases easier - they also happen to give a bit more float. Some people love 'em and some hate 'em. Give it a try - it's about $20 for a set. make sure you get the cleat mounted on your shoe correctly.
Right church, wrong pewSpoke Wrench
Feb 27, 2002 6:02 AM
What color are your cleats?

My QBP catalogue lists three cleats for Shimano mountain SPDs.
SH-51 and SH-52 are both listed as black cleats with 4 degrees of float.
SH-55 are described as silver multi-release with 0 degrees of float.

The vast majority of people prefer the black ones. I've found that the SH-55's work best for people (like me) whose toes point off to the side when they stand straight.
Feb 27, 2002 7:03 AM
I've also got some M55's and SH51's that were never black. But I don't mean this as a contradiction, it's just that Shimano has made many changes in their cleats through the years and many have been discontinued. My LBS has a box of old cleats that he sells and/or trades. It's amazing how many different cleat versions Shimano has made (for better or worse).
I'm not religious ;-)grzy
Feb 27, 2002 6:32 PM
Dunno about PN's for sure, but the silver ones are the multi-point release ones - most of the time. They may say zero float, but your foot is pretty free to rotate all over the place - you're dealing with a bunch of rounded surfaces.

The vast majority of people don't know there's a difference, let alone know enough to prefer one over the other.

How on earth did you come up with your generalization that are best if your toes need to point off to the side. with a sample size of one? It really comes down to a personal preference. I like 'em b/c I come out of the pedals easier when I get launched - it has nothing to do with my toes.
Good questionSpoke Wrench
Feb 28, 2002 6:03 AM
Actually, I got so tired of providing the entertainment for the guys that I mountain biked with that I almost gave up on clipless pedals entirely. I tried Time's but they were worse. I never tried Speedplays. My son turned me onto the fact that there was a different SPD cleat that released more easily. As soon as I tried the silver cleat, it was like someone turned on the light! I was utterly surprised at how well the SPD pedals suddenly worked for me.

Working in a shop, I also install a lot of cleats for other people. I started noticing how they hold their feet and asking about how satisfied they were with their clipless pedals. What I found was people with straight feet acclimated to clipless pedals quickly, people whose toes point out didn't.
Feb 28, 2002 9:34 AM
I tell people that going to multi-point release is like having a really good set of ski bindings(i.e. Marker for those that ski) - they hold you in right until it's time to go and when they do release you don't even feel the hesitation. I've "crashed" and come out running - not even aware of how I managed to pull it off. I'm much more willing to try moves that I know I have a low chance of making b/c I can always get my foot out when I botch the move. In the end my skills slowly improve and I crash less. Currently I'm running the WTB Stealth pedals. Way lighter than Shimano, but very similar performance, however the MPR's don't work well with them. Their standard WTB cleat can be pretty well dialed in, but you have to do a bit of tweaking.

Don't you think that the way people's feet point can be fairly well compensated for by how the cleat is rotationally aligned on the bottom of the shoe? I've found guys that have big legs don't like the MPR's that much - their muscle and mass easily gets their foot out. Most guys that race in serious mud prefer the Time MTB pedals.
Didn't work that way for me.Spoke Wrench
Feb 28, 2002 12:39 PM
I did a lot of messing around with the angle of my old cleats. Then I got the idea that my foot was also angled sideways from the horizontal so I bought a gizmo to measure that angle and little plastic wedges to put under my cleats. Didn't work either.

I have had more trouble than anyone I know finding a pedal/cleat combination that works for me. I'm interested in some of the new pedals, like Eggbeaters, but I'm afraid to try anything new.
Didn't work that way for me.grzy
Feb 28, 2002 6:48 PM
Perhaps your problem is really with your feet. I had quite a bit of problem with my shoe/pedal/cleat thing, but found that I pronate fairly heavily and was fitted for orthotics. Since then I've had zero problems with my feet while riding (100 to 200 mile rides) - beore my right foot used to cramp after about 20 miles and nothing seemed to help until I saw a foot doc. The problem is that if you don't address the twist in your foot nothing else will do the job and cranking down some stiff bike shoes locked into some pedals just makes things worse. I ended up with plantar faciitis and have been slowly trying to recover.
I'm a big time supernater.Spoke Wrench
Mar 1, 2002 6:11 AM
I can only think of three reasons for going to the doctor: Too sick to work, can't have sex or can't ride my bike. Right now all three of those are pretty much under control so I don't imagine I'll be seeing the Podiatrist anytime soon.
Did you mean "supinator"? (nm)simstress
Mar 4, 2002 11:45 AM