|Campy Vs. Shimano||New wanna be racer|
Feb 23, 2002 7:48 AM
|I just started road racing & I'm in the process of building a new light weight racing bike, but I'm torn between Campy Record and Shimano Dura Ace.
I looking for the best, but I don't want to spend the extra $$$ on Campy if it's roughly the same as Dura Ace. Could somebody please give me some insight?
|Check the archives. I think this came up once before.||TSlothrop|
Feb 23, 2002 9:52 AM
|then spend less on campy...||C-40|
Feb 23, 2002 1:44 PM
|Campy chorus is cheaper than duraace, better looking and functionally superior (IMO), although a few ounces heavier. I opt for 10 speeds over 9 any day. Most of the chorus parts are record level of a few years ago. As record gets better the old record stuff often becomes chorus. What a deal.
There's enough price difference to upgrade the chorus group with at least one item of record level. Tough decision; the nicer looking crank, the carbon ergo levers, the lighter Ti cogs.
|then spend less on campy...||mackgoo|
Feb 23, 2002 2:11 PM
|I can tell, you should get Dura Ace. You deserve it.|
|then spend less on campy...||SkipC|
Feb 23, 2002 3:47 PM
|Get the Dura Ace. There is not a grouppo on this earth that shifts as smooth as that group. The Campy stuff is good, but nothing shifts smoother than Dura Ace and in the end that's what your group is suposed to do, shift smooth. Dura Ace shifts better than record and it's hubdreds cheaper, you will spend less. :-)|
|plan to race for long?||jw25|
Feb 23, 2002 4:12 PM
|The big issue I see here is neutral support, maybe in a year or two when you're doing cat. 4 or 3 races. Most neutral wheels are shimano 9 speed, which won't work at all with Campy 10. In fact, I don't think they'd work with Campy-9, either, but who knows? |
For this, and the simple fact that you've just started racing, I'd almost recommend Ultegra. The 2002 is nice (Shimano also uses the trickle-down effect), it's almost as light as Dura-Ace, and the extra money will pay for spare parts when (not if) you crash.
After a few years, if you like racing, and want to keep doing it, then you can redecide what to use, and maybe by then we'll be on 11-speed parts.
As far as the Record/Dura-Ace argument goes, though, Record is supposed to be the best, but it'll cost you. Weight is fairly close, if you can believe published weights. Personally, I like the splined BB of Shimano, but really, I think you'd enjoy either one. My biggest worry would be spare wheels.
Hope this helps more than it hurts.
|The "trickle-down effect"||TJeanloz|
Feb 24, 2002 1:09 PM
|Shimano does not use the "trickle-down" effect, they almost always do a complete re-design of groups every 5 years or so. By now, most of the designs that Dura-Ace had in 1996 have worked their way into 105. But if it were Campy, the current 105 crank would be the same as the 1996 Dura-Ace crank, which it is not. Shimano incorporates design elements of higher end parts when they re-design, Campy actually moves the part down the line (for example the Record ti post became the Chorus ti post when the Carbon Record post came out.)|
|test ride each if you can||AllUpHill|
Feb 23, 2002 6:34 PM
|That's my story and i'm sticking to it. In facing the same question before I got my new bike, I luckily decided I should at least have a test ride on a bike with Campy before leaving behind my Shimano "roots." Much to my surprise, riding my friend's Campy stuff actually turned me towards Shimano (I was all but completely sold on going Record, cause it has to be the best, right?). I simply didn't like the feel of the drive train and the layout of the Ergo levers in my hands. Maybe it just takes getting used to, but I went Dura Ace and love it.
That's not to say either one's better than the other, rather find out which one best suits your taste. Try to get the longest test ride you can on whichever brand you're not already familiar with. Fortunately I was able to have more than an hour's ride with the Campy components, not just a spin around an LBS parking lot (although that would be better than nothing).
Sounds strangely similar to the advice you get when picking frames, doesn't it?
|test ride each if you can||Speed Bubby|
Feb 24, 2002 6:44 AM
|I could not agree more. Just like selecting frames, selecting your components is personal and what fits your hands and is easy to shift for you may not be quite right for me. I would testride both and see how you like the shifting and ergonomics of each because they are in fact different.
Other than that the other big differences are Campy is 10 speed and Shimano is 9 speed, Shimano definitely offers more wheelset selections at this point unless you add on an aftermarket cassette like Wheels Manuf but why you would want to do that and fool with your drivetrain I do not know. Both groups work very well and if anyone tells you they don't they are blowing smoke from their own personal predjudices about each product.
|get shimano, it's disposable||nm|
Feb 24, 2002 6:43 AM
|and you will crash sooner or later if racing|
|I went through this a few years ago...||Kyle|
Feb 25, 2002 8:51 AM
|with no preconceived notions about either (I was primarily a mountain biker.)
What I found:
The primary difference between the two 9 speed systems is in the shifter ergonomics. I prefered Campy for two reasons.
1: I sometimes accidentally shifted the Shimano when braking in winter gloves.
2: The Campy front shifter has twice as many stops, making it easier to dial out der. rub.
If you decide to go with Shimano, consider Ultegra--it's a fantastic group, with the exception of the shifters, which I found to be dismal (noisy, set up to work with either a double or a triple, making them not work well with either.) An upgrade to D/A would likely fix that problem.
Don't get too hung up on weight. A pound one way or another won't make any difference to you.
The main drawback to Campy (particularly 10 speed) is the cost of replacement parts. As near as I can tell, you can't buy so much as a bolt or chain link for less than $15.