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Building a bike - some decisionsDoodle
Feb 6, 2002 7:32 AM
Building a well-smart training/racing bike. Some decisions need to be made:-

Shimano v Campy (and what level - d/a Record worth the $?)
Al v Steel v Ti v carbon.
Ksyeriums v Boutique (carbon?).
Compact v Regular frame.
Michelins v others.
Selle Italia v Brooks
ITM v Cinelli.

Any thoughts?
you may as well ask what to do with your life?Dog
Feb 6, 2002 7:41 AM
That's a little vague. We are glad to help, but you gotta give us something to go on:

*$ budget?
*what kind of riding?
*experience?
*what do you have now?
*race?
*weight?
*etc.

Doug
start with bar tape color - the rest will fall into place nmjohan burnt eels
Feb 6, 2002 7:44 AM
Actually, I was coming to that one....Doodle
Feb 6, 2002 7:46 AM
$ not important, but I don't want to waste it - just want good performance for my $ (i.e. carbon cranks are out).

Come from MTB - regular racer, so will start Cat V but hope to get up to 3/2 asap - don't wanna change bikes.

No road bike at the moment - last one was Dale r600

I am 190.
Thanx.
HmmDog
Feb 6, 2002 7:54 AM
I'd go pretty straight forward starting out. You can get a darn good, raceable bike under $2000. For that, I'd go with an aluminum frame (probably best bang for the buck), Dura Ace and Open Pro rims. If you want to push it over $3,000, or even up to $5,000 or so, let's talk more.

A good, representative bike in the $2,000 area would be a Bianchi Alloro. This would be with Ultegra. http://www.bianchiusa.com/site/bikes/rc/05_alloro.html It would work fine, but you'd probably want to upgrade by the time you hit Cat 3 (which will probably not be easy at 190 pounds).

How much do you really want to spend? This is crucial.

Doug
Good startDoodle
Feb 6, 2002 8:16 AM
Thanx.

$2-3K fine - but I want bang for my $ - I know from the MTB world that there is a lot of stuff out there that is waaaay over-priced.

But why is my 180 (call it - it's winter now) a problem for cat III - there are plenty of guys around that weight there and higher?
Good startDog
Feb 6, 2002 8:37 AM
Oh, you said 190 above. No, I haven't seen many Cat III's that big. But, maybe that's because most of our races around here have big hills, which sort of naturally select lighter riders. I'd say the average is around 150-160. Nonetheless, you might very well kick ass at 190.

If you are looking for value, but still pretty much top of line, this is what I'd do:

*Aluminum frame and carbon fork - there are dozens
*32 spoke Mavic Open Pro wheels and 14/16 spokes
*Dura Ace components (53/39 and 12-25 cassette -- unless it's really flat where you are, then 12-23)
*ITM Millenium stem
*Any handlebar under 250 grams that feels good to you
*Look pedals - I like the cheaper 206 (they don't squeek)
*Michelin Axial Pro or Conti 3000 tires

You should definitely get that under $3k. Don't forget tools, rack, helmet, shoes, clothing, though.

Doug
spend lessjohan burnt eels
Feb 6, 2002 9:35 AM
if this is to be your first season racing and you only have one bike to race and train on your bike is gonna get trashed. of that i can promise.

not that i like supergo or have any experience with scattante frames but this looks like an unbeleivable deal. there is a wait on them already.
http://www.supergo.com/itemdisplay.asp?compflag=0&parentid=18922&company=Scattante&secid=7559&subid=7
the steel would suit you and your size, ultegra components, mavic cosmos wheelset which will be good for training on - and you would still have plenty $'s left over for a fast set of race wheels and pedals shoes and kit. it looks to be a good basic start for very little money. you could buy used for not as good a spec at that price. some of the parts are basic but not flawed.

i haven't met anyone who races who doesn't eventually go big buck bikes after moving up the categories. and after your first season you can either sell it or keep it as a trainer/bad weather bike.

all that stands is for you to ask around to see how scattante's are built and if they ride well enough. ive heard some good things on their other frames.

jamis eclipse is something to look into as well. whilst steel may not be the most ideal race bike material it is posssible to salvage a crashed frame for reasonable $$$'s rather than just throwing it away. of course this is a generalisation so please lets not flame.

i dread the day i bend my altec 2+ frame as i dont think it will be fixable for less than the price of a new frame.

keep asking around as im sure you can find a good rig for less than $2k. granted the more you spend now the less you will spend later but remember that it will suffer wear and tear and perhaps irrepairable damage. my race bike is far less exotic than my nice ride bike - im sure im not the only one.
re: Building a bike - some decisionsBobo
Feb 6, 2002 1:21 PM
You're going to get so many different answers that the responses will be useless. Go test ride a few and see what you like. Just go buy an off the peg Cannondale, Trek, LeMond or whatever.

If you stick with riding/racing you're more than likely not going to have it that long no matter what you may think. Your first ride is almost always a throw away as you learn more about what really fits you and what really suits you based upon your riding style. I'm sure I'll get flamed for that but that's been my observation thus far.

Get something that you can get dialed in on position-wise and take care of business. Frankly I can't tell one bike from another provided I'm fit properly. Same with wheels - it's all the same to me. I'm a new CAT 2 entering my 3rd full season of racing so my perception of ride quality probably isn't as finely tuned as some more experienced riders.

You're then one that's going to ride the bike, not people on this message board. You pick it.

That's my $.02
re: Building a bike - some decisionsLC
Feb 6, 2002 3:35 PM
I agree with that for the most part. If you don't wreck the bike in a mass pile up in a race or go down on a training ride, then it will become your rain bike for next year. I would even suggest you plan on eventually putting fenders on it, so make sure it has the room around the front and rear tire. Steel is generally better for this and is more comfortable on a long ride, plus more forgiving in a crash too. You may even find a low end titanium bike that will work well, but they are generally more expensive. I personally love carbon bikes, but am scared to race my nice Look frame in cat 4/5. I use my old aluminum bike to race with only because I don't care if I wreck it, and it does not have the room for fenders for group team rides so I ended up getting a steel bike. This means I ended up getting too many bike and if I had to do it over i would have started with a good steel frame.
re: Building a bike - some decisionsmackgoo
Feb 7, 2002 3:28 PM
Campy - Yes
What ever you want.
Zipps, tubular.
Regular
Best deal at the time.
Ti Brooks, although really for racing probably not practical.
Cinelli Gramo
How long is a piece of rope?grzy
Feb 7, 2002 3:48 PM
It all depends.

Very Short Ans: A blue one.

Short Ans: Either a Cannondale or Serotta Legend or Seven Odonata (normal frame geometry), Reynolds Ouzo Pro fork, King headset, full DA w/Campy Profit Pedals, Ksyrium wheels, Selle Italia Max Flight Trans Am, Conti GP 3000 tires, Ritchey WCS stem, Easton CF bar. Should knock you back around $5,000+ for the ti bikes and if you can't ride hard people will snicker if you have one of the ti trophy bikes.The C'dale cost will vary.

Longer Ans.: The first step is to decide what is your budget and what are your goals. If you're looking at dropping some serious cake you should have some definite ideas of what you like - if not then it doesn't really matter. Once a sales person figures out you don't know what you want they're going to ask "How much money do you have?" Then they're going to figure out how to make sure you spend it all with them. You might be better served buying a bike off the rack - it will be a better bargain and will be reasonably well sorted out - you can go mild to wild. Use this as your starting point and either make some small changes if most everything is to your satisfaction or take the full plunge and get exactly what you want now that you know what you like and dislike. Otherwise you're going to get a whole slew of opinions, each one of them revealing the indviduals own bias. Since it's all so subjective they will all be valid.
Seven Odonata with full Campy Record and KsyriumsThe Man
Feb 7, 2002 4:57 PM
oe a Serotta Ottrott..... the rest is just fluff. 'nuf said
???R-I-D-E
Feb 9, 2002 11:28 PM
You priced yourself out of a lot of your choices.

First off, I am not a Trek fan. But, for the money you mention, I'd say get yourself an OCLV. They are light, stiff, strong, and ride pretty well. Not to mention, they have a lifetime warranty......can't beat that. My buddy and I are building up road bikes, and after a lot of research, that is what he chose (5500).

For me, it has to be more unique. I am not a big fan of the "dime-a-dozen" bikes out there. Yes, they are just as good, or close enough, to the higher end boutique bikes. But I just prefer to ride and own something a little more unique for my money.

My choices.... Components: Campy, Deda, Zipp, Michelin. Frame material: Money no object...Aluminum, carbon or ti. It's all good.

Ride