|Anybody riding Motobecane anymore?||VistaBill|
Feb 3, 2002 8:57 AM
|I loved my 23# Jubile Sport in 1983, but been riding mountain since. Now for a road bike-- looking at the Team Champion. 17# and full Dura Ace for $1600? My Ques:
1) What's happened to Moto in the past 15 yrs? They used to be hot in the US.
2) Dare I buy a bike over the net without riding it?
3) I'm 200# and afraid to buy Carbon frames -- are the frame cracking horror stories, true?
4) Am I missing something, or is the Moto Team Champion the best deal going?
Thanks in advance, BT
|Some folks still have old steel bikes on the road....||sprockets|
Feb 3, 2002 10:32 AM
|and the bikes are doing pretty well. If you still have yours, you can upgrade it and enjoy a lot of saved cash, along with a decent bike.
1. Motobecane as you knew it doesn't exist any longer. They are made now in Asia, I believe, and there is really no meaningful relationship between the old and new organization, at least not one that will translate into a better bike for you.
2. Not a good idea.
3. Older frames, yes. The newer frames are apparently much more durable and well considered. Not to worry. Unless its a Motobecane Carbon!
4. Yes, you are missing something. The market is full, like never before, of many very well designed and executed bikes from first-tier companies. Motobecane, I will assert at this time, is not in this category. Look around, there are many european frame makers, and, fortunately and delightfully, many domestic makers as well. It is a wonderful time to be a wealthy bike enthusiast.
If you are really stuck on Motobecane, buy a used frameset and update it with new components. I just put together a pair of old Peugeots for my wife and myself, and they are coming along well, and the bikes-being quality steel-are a delight to ride.
|Upgrading old Motobecanes||L.O. McDuff|
Feb 4, 2002 1:18 PM
|It is tough to upgrade the bottom bracket. In the early 80's the BB had Swiss threading (35x1 if I recall correctly). Also, the Jubilee Sports had Vitus 888 tubing which was notorious for cracking at the ST/BB junction.
Check out some of the bargains at Colorado Cyclist or Excel (e.g., Gios A-90 with carbon fork and Ultegra kit for 1827). There might be some screaming deals at Supergo and GVHbikes.com, too.
|re: Anybody riding Motobecane anymore?||wsexson|
Feb 3, 2002 12:23 PM
|The company formerly known as Motobecane now goes by MBK. I don't think that they sell their bikes (or scooters) in the US. The company that currently uses the Motobecane brand name is essentially unrelated to the old company.
There is definitely a risk that you might not like the fit or ride of the bike if you buy it without a test ride. On the other hand, you may be very pleased with the ride and love how much money you saved. What is your risk tolerance level?
The Team Champion has an aluminum frame and a CF fork. (By the way, I have read posts here and the Bicycling mag site from big guys that love their carbon bikes.) I just got a Le Champion from bikesdirect.com (a few days ago). I weigh around 220 lbs. and the frame and fork seem to be more than strong enough for my size. The Team Champion uses the same frame and fork (I think). They are both made by Kinesis (which I think is Taiwanese).
This is my very first road bike, so I don't have any idea how it compares to others. So far I like it. It is really light (the Team Champion is even lighter). The Ultegra gruppo seems really nice. The wheels are pretty good, but nothing special. The saddle, seat post, stem, handlebars, and pedals are generic, and I think that I will gradually upgrade all of those. It looks like the Team Champion comes with better wheels, bars, stem, saddle, and seat post than the Le Champion. It has a Cane Creek zero stack threadless headset. The frame welds and the paint job aren't the prettiest that I have seen, but the frame feels solid and looks aren't my top priority.
On paper, the Team Champion looks like a LOT of bike for the money. I wonder if the frame is good enough to hang Dura Ace on, but I really don't know one way or the other. Without a test ride, this goes back to your risk tolerance level.
I hope this helps.
|did you try another bar/ lever position?||colker|
Feb 4, 2002 11:36 AM
|i'm sure there must be another combination that would give more comfort than that. |
hmmm.. maybe that frame is 3sizes too small for you.
|did you try another bar/ lever position?||wsexson|
Feb 4, 2002 9:27 PM
|I didn't want to bother with moving the levers until I get my new (wider) handlebars in a couple of days. I am not sure if I want a shorter stem, or if I just need to get used to leaning so far forward (I am used to my hybrid).|
|those levers are wrong||colker|
Feb 5, 2002 4:26 AM
|can you brake from the drops? are you even staying on the drops? well, if it works for you fine... but you are missing some possibilities with that arrangement. |
their fi and sizing page.they are a smart copany.
|re: Anybody riding Motobecane anymore?||scottfree|
Feb 4, 2002 7:18 AM
|The new Motobecane has carved a niche out for itself -- mostly via Bikesdirect.Com, where I assume you're thinking about buying this -- as a 'wow, can't believe the price' company. And, for the money you pay, you do get a decent bike. Not spectacular quality, but nowhere near a ripoff either.
I mountain bike maybe three times a year, and finaly decided that instead of always borrowing one of my brother-in-law's bikes, I'd just get a cheap hardtail. Got a Motobecane way cheap, and it's been just fine for occasional use. If I were serious into MTB, I'd probably want a better-put-together bike.
So there's really no hard-and-fast answer to your question. It's probably a good deal, but is it a great one? I wouldn't think so. You could probably get a spiffier Ultegra bike cheaper, and be just as happy if not happier.
|re: Anybody riding Motobecane anymore?||grzy|
Feb 4, 2002 10:45 AM
|Got two vintage Moto's hanging in the shop - a Grand Jubile (mine) and a Jubile Sport (hers). Complete with French threading and sizing. |
I believe in what you pay for is what you get. A DA bike for $1,600 would imply you get some really nice components on a very cheap frame and some questionable wheels. Without riding the bike it would be hard to accurately assess the package. Obviously the whole works is coming from Asia and by virute of low wages and even lower quality standards such that they can probably still make money on the deal. You can't even get an Airborne for this. ;-) If you're thinking that the componets are good and I'll just replace the crappy stuff you'll find that this is the most expensive way to buy a bike. If you want a DA quality bike throughout then be prepared to pay the actual cost of several grand (like three). If you just want the best bike for $1,600 it would be worth shopping around and possibly going for a notch or two lower on the componets so that you get better wheels, frame and fork. If you can't tell the difference or don't care then it is an enticing offer. Don't be surprised if they hawk these bikes on QVC someday soon. I think that the name and nostalgia are a big part of the marketing ploy.