|Somebody tell a quill-stem guy what an integrated headset is||Retro|
Jan 23, 2002 9:23 AM
|Just as I was coming to grips with threadless (still don't see any reason for them, but I'll admit they're the new standard), I was looking through a catalog last night and came across a NEW headset term: Integrated.
Can somebody explain what the @#$% THAT means?
|re: Somebody tell a quill-stem guy what an integrated headset is||Akirasho|
Jan 23, 2002 1:09 PM
|... as it stands right now, an integrated headset uses the frame's headtube as an integral part of said headset... that is, the upper and lower races may either be part of the frame itself, or have race surfaces pressed directly into the headtube...
There's much debate on the need and long term reliability of this new system (there are no real standards among some makers save for compatibility with 1 1/8" steerers) but it's likely hear to stay.
Chris King is reportedly working on a standard http://www.chrisking.com/headsets/hds_perdido.html and I love all their other products...
Remain In Light.
|Got it: So if I wear out a headset, I need a new frame...||Retro|
Jan 23, 2002 3:35 PM
|Man, things used to be so SIMPLE... Thanks.|
|Uh, no.||Kerry Irons|
Jan 23, 2002 5:41 PM
|You can replace some of the integrated headsets (made by Campy, for example) or replace the pressed in races in the rest of the cases. Integrated headsets may not be the greatest thing since sliced cheeses, but they can be replaced.|
|Not all integrated headsets can be replaced||Breako|
Jan 26, 2002 3:59 PM
|Actually the term integrated headset is often misused in todays cycling world. A true integrated headset uses the actual walls of the steerer tube as the bearing races for the headset bearings. If you damage these races either by means of a crash or wear as a result of riding with a loose headset your frame is most likely trashed beyond repair as this type of steerer tube wall damage is basically impossible to repair with compromising the integrity of the steerer tube itself.
What Campagnolo and Cane Creek call integrated headsets are really not integrated headsets. They are internal headsets. They differ from a conventional headset in that they use bearing cups which are pressed internally inside the headtube. The bearings or bearing cartriges then interface with these cups. The cups are totally replaceable just as the cups are replacable for anyy conventional headset. Probably the biggest risk of a purely integrated headset would be steerer wall deformation of the race as a result of riding with a loose headset and not knowing it.
|re: Somebody tell a quill-stem guy what an integrated headset is||mackgoo|
Jan 23, 2002 10:49 PM
|Actually they are not all that new. I think they have been around for years, they are just really catching on now.|
|re: Somebody tell a quill-stem guy what an integrated headset is||Breako|
Jan 26, 2002 4:03 PM
|You are correct they are not new at all. Many Italian framebuilders were designing and using integrated headsets in their frames as early as the late 1960's. It's only in the past few years that they have gained popularity in the road cycling world on a mass appeal basis.|| |