|Campy Carbon Cranks are out. Who's going to buy one??||Kurt VF|
Jan 15, 2002 8:18 PM
|Saw it as "available" over on Elite's web page. Very, very cool. I guess you save 140 grams for your $800.|
|re: Campy Carbon Cranks are out. Who's going to buy one??||weiwentg|
Jan 15, 2002 8:23 PM
|that's 5 dollars per gram plus change ... I heard somewhere that you should spend 1 dollar / gram. besides, I'm poor.|
|I'll wait 3-6 months and get it for under $500.... nm||CT1|
Jan 15, 2002 10:22 PM
|$3 1/2 dollars per gram. Much more reasonable. : ) nm||Sintesi|
Jan 17, 2002 8:36 AM
|I'm "undecided"||Dog Breath|
Jan 15, 2002 10:55 PM
|Already updated some of Record Ti components to Carbon (post and levers). The look is important to me, couldn't really care less about 140grams savings, although there is some function, unlike diamonds and other trinkets people buy.
What worries me is rock chips. Look at the cranks you are using now. Mine have lots of pot marks left by stones. How will those expensive carbon cranks look after a few seasons?
|I'm "undecided"||I Love Shimano|
Jan 16, 2002 12:11 AM
|According to some of our fellow posters, these are actually Zipp carbon cranks (2002 model?). So the $200 extra that you are paying is for the Campagnolo logo on the crank.
Is a Campy logo really worth $200?
NO, but a Shimano logo is. Hehehe, just kidding.
|I'm "undecided"||RIDE RIGHT|
Jan 17, 2002 4:34 PM
|Zipp? You really don't believe that?|
Jan 16, 2002 5:04 AM
|I bet they'd be OK. I've got a Kestrel that I've had for 8 years and it has no rock chips in the frame. True, cranks are closer to the ground, but after 8 years if carbon was prone to chipping you'd think I'd have a few. |
They'd look smokin on that C-40.
Come on man, don't let someone else here be the first to own them. And post some pictures.
|carbon is ugly!!||colker|
Jan 16, 2002 6:38 AM
|and resale value is not as good as diamonds. think 10yrs... you want to raise some money. you go sell that diamond or a 02 record carbon canks? |
yeah, carbon parts are ugly INO. take forks. a tommasini, pinarello, sachs fork. cmpare to a ouzo pro you find in every bike... carbon may be all function but i'm adicted to form.
|Form follows function. (nm)||grzy|
Jan 16, 2002 6:23 PM
|Form follows function. >>||colker|
Jan 17, 2002 2:37 PM
|that leaves us with lots of possibilities: one of form's function is to please the senses and reassure symbolic meaning. |
like: old things make me feel better and ride better. steel's resonance makes me feel better. a steel fork makes me feel safer.
like in ti bikes and parts. the no paint, industrial, honest "look" of titanium may be as important for ti buying than it's mechanical properties and durability.
|Form follows function. >>||grzy|
Jan 17, 2002 4:02 PM
|Well we never would've arrived at the modern diamond shaped steel frame/fork and pneumatic tires if form were the final word. At the turn of the century, or so, the high wheeler bone shaker design with solid tires was all the rage. While the frames look very different you can't determine much visual differenc from a solid vs. pneumatic tire at say a distance of 10 feet. Nothing wrong with asthetics and making things look more pleasing unless a claimed advance is really a step backwards. The swoopy desing concept bikes are great, but realit dictates what is going to work and what is just a thought. It's doubtful that a ti framed bike would've even been built or sold if it's only virtue were it's looks. To be sure they'd sell a few to the fashion concious. the whole idea of associating your favorite design and or material was born from considering the function first. Ultimately if you let your personal bias carry the day then real objective advances don't occur.|
|re: Campy Carbon Cranks are out. Who's going to buy one??||mackgoo|
Jan 16, 2002 5:16 AM
|www.sdeals.com has them for 597$. I'll wait and try to get them on E bay.|
|500$ ya right, dealer cost is $600||str8dum1|
Jan 16, 2002 7:07 AM
|No one is going to be selling these on EBay anytime soon for $500. Why not just get FSA's team pro. Exact same crank for under $400. with all the xtra cash, get a campy sticker. the campys are more likely outsourced FSA's. compare them at the FSA website|
|Not until I'm certified loony...||cory|
Jan 16, 2002 8:35 AM
|It would be a huge waste of money for me. Jeez, I can take 140 grams off MYSELF for free, and spend the $800 on a trip to Hawaii.|
|140 grams sounds high||gtx|
Jan 16, 2002 8:46 AM
|FSA cranks with rings are 575 grams, which is still heavier than DA. Are these really 120 grams lighter than FSA?|
|Dura-Ace vs. FSA weightwise||TJeanloz|
Jan 16, 2002 1:42 PM
|As far as Damon Rinard is concerned (and his is the only weight source I trust):
Dura-Ace cranks weigh 484g without rings
FSA cranks weigh 405g without rings
With rings, it's 628g for DA and 548g for FSA.
Jan 16, 2002 2:27 PM
|Excel puts DA cranks w/rings at 560g and Colorado Cyclist puts FSA w/rings at 575. That's funny. I'm sure your weights are right.|
|Dura-Ace vs. FSA weightwise||Kurt VF|
Jan 16, 2002 2:55 PM
|According to the ad, the Campy carbon is 500 grams WITH the rings. The ad is also the source of the 140 figure.|
|Virtually ALL Mfr.s fudge weight specs. (nm)||grzy|
Jan 16, 2002 6:28 PM
|Complete the picture...||grzy|
Jan 16, 2002 6:26 PM
|Now add in the required bottom brackets - or has FSA obtained license to use a splined DA BB?|
|not sure about legalities but FSA work with splined bb's||naff geezer|
Jan 16, 2002 8:58 PM
|they also make their own splined bb's. but alas not an italian thread. but they promise soon! i dont think they are the first manu. to use the splined concept under licence.
they are also soon to make a bb and crankset with campy tapers/fit. i also beleive they are more true than the other "big two" with regards to their actual weight claims.
i dont know of their carbon crank actual weights but my black alu road cranks weighed in at 614 grams (which would make it consistent with their claim of 635 with bolts) for the 172.5 mm.
i cant emphasize how helpfull they were pre and post purchase especially as i had my lbs stuff up the left crank arm when fitting it. even though no fault of their own they replaced it free incl. shipping and i have the gouged crank arm as wall art. try getting tht sort of service from shimano or campy unless you are paid to wear a usps or telekom jersey.
i actually used an ultegra bb and purchased the cranks from supergo (who no longer sell them but still suck) as it was cheaper than going thru fsa direct. they were just as happy with my inquiries and claims nonetheless.
i am very happy with my cranks and think it money well spent. im not an expert but i i am heavy/strong and i feel that they flex less than d/ace and ultegra cranks which is the motivation behind my purchase. and yes i had all variants on the same frame and same b/b's.
the rest of my running gear is campy 9 and i have no issues to report on incompatability of fsa cranks with the house of Vicenza. i used a sram chain as im none to good with chain tools. to make me feel a little better (snobbier?) the FSA company is Italian but i am not sure whether they manufacture their goods elsewhere. if they do they keep a good eye on quality control.
in terms of appearance and finish i am very happy. its not quite c-record or superbe pro but they dont look ugly either.
carbon is not my cup of tea and i certainly cant afford the campy item but im glad there are smaller companies like FSA keeping the giants honest and integrous.
my cranks will go on my next frame and will look to try more of their offerings if a need arises. from my experience less is more.
have a look for yourselves.
Jan 17, 2002 9:10 AM
|Yeah, it seemed to catch my attention in a passing sort of way that the FSA cranks were going to be compatible with a Shimano splined BB. When Big S came out with the splined BB's other companies started to try and make compatible components, but Shimano's lawyers put a quick end to that with the patent laws. Now that they have again established their position with the newer design in the market they can license people to use their design - and also pull the rug from under the ISIS crowd. Ultimately a fairly shrewd way to not leave very much money lying on the table and a way to pick and choose your competitors. Cannondale makes their own cranks, but uses Shimano BBs on most of their bikes (not including their Hollowgram design). Shimano is the virtual 400 lbs. ape in the bike parts biz and has maintained it all through the uncertainty of the MTB segment. It will be years (17 in total) before their patent expires and by then they'll come up with something new. As a little side project, my goal has been to make my MTB entirely a Shimano-free zone, but I haven't weaned myself from XTR chainrings (still the best IMO), XT crank (square taper), and the XTR front derailuer (SRAM's won't fit on some Jekyll swing arms).|
|FSA TEAM PROs = carbo spider, not weighed on DM's site||str8dum1|
Jan 17, 2002 7:49 AM
|the team pros are comparible to campy carbon. My DA cranks with rings and CRB's weigh 565g. add another 32g for the crank bolts and you have shimano's 600g speced weight.|
|Got 2 already||Doobie Day|
Jan 21, 2002 7:06 AM
|One on roadie, one on CX - they look awsome - not performance advantage over 105 whatsoever though. May get one for ss, just to complete the set.
Need carbon fibre OR ends - anyone know of anywhere?