|Axial Pro Lite - do not buy thius tire!!!!||sodade|
Jan 12, 2002 4:41 PM
|They came stock on a brand new Merlin I bought on ebay. Withing 5 miles of riding, both had sidewall tears that led to flats! No glass and the bike was dialed in perfectly. There was a lot of sand on the road, but nothing that my Hilite comps couldn't handle.|
|re: Axial Pro Lite - Agreed with 1 reservation||tubs|
Jan 13, 2002 12:02 AM
|Axial Pro lite is indeed a very fragile tyre. More importantly, if you buy a pair, you will see a little sun symbol on the packaging. This means it is a summer compound, not suitable for cold wet roads. They have very little grip in winter conditions....believe me, I know!
But if you are looking for a PB on a warm summer evening, and use clinchers, this tyre, fitted with a latex tube delivers!
Maybe your supplier was at fault fitting these at this time of year?
|re: Axial Pro Lite - Agreed with 1 reservation||sodade|
Jan 13, 2002 4:15 AM
|I agree that the conditions were cartainly not ideal for the tire, but the sidewall split on both within 5 miles! I fail to understand how some slightly wet sand could cause this. I don't think that I have ever ridden in conditions as pristine as this whimpy tire must need to recognize its potential. The tires came on a new bike, and I really intended on swapping them after a ride or two. Naturally since I bought the bike on ebay, I have little recourse. $100 down the drain... Sigh... at least I got a good deal on the bike.|
Jan 13, 2002 8:26 AM
|Michelin makes no bones about this being a very lightweight, fragile, race-specific tire. And it doesn't sound like you were racing.
People need to take some responsibility for following manufacturers guidelines. If Michelin says their tire is for good condition RACES only- that's what it's for. You can't go complaining that you flatted one climbing the dirt road on Mt. Washington.
|why on new bike?||Dog|
Jan 13, 2002 8:52 AM
|Unless manufacturers expect you to take a bike directly to a race, why would they supply new bikes with ultra-lightweight tires? Sounds like they are using them for marketing (to weight weenie) purposes.
I used to train on the Lights. Even tried to do so on Conti Supersonics, too. It got very expensive and time consuming. I'm hesitant to use them even in races, unless I know the roads will be fairly clean or there is full support.
For training, use something like the Michelin Axial Carbon or Axial Select. You won't notice the weight much in training, and they'll last 20 times longer, and you won't spend nearly so much time on the side of the road.
|To get rid of them of course...||TJeanloz|
Jan 13, 2002 9:11 AM
|You put them on bikes that sell on EBay to get rid of the pairs that the rep made you buy. The worst things on new bikes go in reverse order of how fast they would normally wear out: tires, chain, cables, cassette, headset. If the builder's going to skimp, he might as well skimp on things you're going to replace soon anyways.
The "get rid of it" approach works both ways though- if a customer needs an italian bottom bracket for their Chorus equipped bike, and you have 5 Record BB's and no Chorus, you work on getting rid of the Record ones at no extra charge.
|here is the difference:||sodade|
Jan 13, 2002 9:27 AM
|I think that there is a difference between "manufacturer's guidelines" and a big red exclamiation point on the tire that says "unless you are on a totally clean, butter-smooth, baby's ass road, you will be instantly screwed over by this tire. I mean, if they just didn't perform well in "rough conditions" (we are talking about some sand on the asphault - not a dirt/gravel road) I wouldn't bother posting a review until I tried them in their intended conditions. Come on - both tires in 5 miles is not "oh they wore out real fast"
If I were a racer (which I am not - so maybe I am missing something here) - I would never want a totally unreliable tire - even if it helped me go a nanosecond faster, the eventual flat is going to kill more time and confidence than these paper tires would be worth.
I wonder how I would feel about blazing down Mt. Diablo on a 100 degree day. I don't think that little sun icon is going to give me much comfort.
Quote from Performace on this tire:
"Same dual compound Silicium tread as the popular Axial Pro, but with 20% lower rolling resistance. Ideal for time trials and races (longevity is 30% less than the Axial Pro)."
Man - I sure hope that my axial pro lasts more than 7 miles!
|My Point is,||TJeanloz|
Jan 13, 2002 9:36 AM
|People who don't follow manufacturers guidelines don't have a leg to stand on when the product doesn't meet their expectations.
I had this discussion with USE about making a longer version of the Carbon Alien seatpost for compact bikes. They said they didn't want to because no matter how much red ink they put on the package some moron (to use their word) would put it on his mountain bike and complain to all of his friends when it broke.
So, what you're saying is: "I know it was a race-only tire, and I wasn't racing, but I have certain expectations that the tire ought to (and will) perform beyond the limits that the manufacturer has placed on it, and so I think this is a bad product, because it doesn't meet MY expectations, which are greater than the manufacturer claims the tire will meet."
Racers choose their equipment based on conditions (at least I did). If I knew the course was a buttery-smooth criterium, sign me up for the lightest tires out there. If I knew it was a road race in Gloversville NY, where the roads seem paved with glass, I want something a little stouter.
|Think of it this way||tubs|
Jan 13, 2002 1:38 PM
|We have a saying here in Europe: "In order to finish first, first you have to finish!" Road racing takes place on the road. Road conditions are unpredictable. A tyre that cannot handle unpredictable conditions is not a race tyre, it is a marketing exercise.|
|OK, OK!||Kerry Irons|
Jan 13, 2002 5:56 PM
|We can all accept that the tires should have lasted longer than 5 miles. And you should be able to accept that something weird happened that they failed in 5 miles. Nobody believes that these tires last only 5 miles. 500 to 1000 maybe, but when a tire fails in five miles, there's a story there somewhere. Defective tires, unseen glass or gravel - who knows what. Not likely you were sold defective tires knowingly - how would somebody know that they would fail so quickly?
So you can badmouth these tires if you like - they are very low mileage race tires. But don't expect us to believe that they will always fail after five miles!
Jan 14, 2002 7:38 PM
|Look - two tires, two miles, two rides. One day after the other. 1st day the tire had a .5cm split on the sidewall. That wasn't glass. 2nd day, the other tire had a tiny crack on the offset strip of rubber. I have ridden the exact same route before and after with old hilite comps that have 1000+ miles on them - I never flat. Sure, there was some sand on the asphault, but there is no glass on these roads. Based on that, I think that these tires are rediculously paper-thin and thus useless in all but the most pristine conditions. If I had known that - I would have taken off the tires and sold them before wasting my time because I have yet to find a road that is that smooth. I also think that the race-only designation is irrelavant - what kind of race is on perfect roads? Maybe the two tires were defective - at $50 a pop I sure wouldn't want to experiment with that. I am only blathering on about this in the hopes that I save some poor sod the trouble that I have had - I wish someone would have done it for me.|
Jan 15, 2002 9:07 AM
|Your mileage may vary. As others have pointed out this is a racing tire, basically an Axial Pro with less rubber and I believe one less ply. I have not used them but teammates have, with mixed success but nothing as bad as you report. I am still wondering how you could tear the sidewalls in 5 miles....seems as though you must have had them underinflated and hit something, or else you got two very defective tires.
Just as a datapoint, a regular training partner has been using a pair of Axial Pro lights on his winter bike. He just had them laying about and decided to use them up. Lots of rain, gravel, etc, and he has not flatted on any rides I have done with him.
In my experience, saddles and tires have to be just about the two most subjective compenents in road cycling. What works for one does not work for the next.