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Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spd(10 posts)

Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spdconorb
Jan 10, 2002 11:15 PM
Hi,

I'm in the process of building a new roadbike and would be interested in hearing comparisons/pros/cons between the Campy 9spd and 10spd gruppos. I've pretty much decided on using Campy, so Shimano isn't really an issue.

Both gruppos appear to still be available and was wondering what the significant differences (other than 1 speed) people have experienced. I'm particulary interested in rear cog wear and overall reliability of the 10spd drivetrain compared to the 9spd. Also, are the actual Ergo shifters different?

Thanks,
Conor
re: Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spdtarwheel
Jan 11, 2002 6:12 AM
I haven't used the Campy 9 speed, but I have a Chorus 10-speed group with about 4,000 miles on it over the past 6 months. I chose the 10 speed w/ 13-29 because I wanted some good climbing gears without going to a triple. I rarely use the 29 but it's nice having it for long rides or very hilly terrain. I am considering getting another cassette (12-25) for general use.

To me, the only downside to the Campy 10-speed is the chain. You need the special Campy chain tool to replace it, and I have heard that it is a tricky process to do right. I have heard varying reports on the durability of the 10-speed chain. Some guys report only getting 1,500 -- 2,000 miles per chain, but others claim to have gotten 10,000 miles. I had my chain checked for wear at the LBS the other day because it seemed like the shifting was getting a touch sloppy, but they told me it was in fine shape -- only halfway to the recommended replacement point. So, I consider that pretty good -- 4,000 miles and only half worn. I clean my chain fairly regularly, lube it often with ProLink, and don't do a lot of standing climbs or shifting under pressure.

As far as cog wear, my cassette is still in fine shape, but I have the regular steel Chorus cassette. The Record cassette with ti cogs is much more expensive and would wear out much quicker. I don't see the benefit there unless you are an extreme weight weenie.

My opinion would be to get the 10-speed if you live in a hilly area and want the flexibility of having some extra climbing gears, or if you like to ride with a very tight gear ratio in your cassette. If 9 speeds are plenty, then you might save some bucks by going that route.
I went from 8 to 10grandemamou
Jan 11, 2002 6:40 AM
Skipped 9 altogether. The 10 spd is a big improvement over 8 spd but I cant comment on 9spd. The upside one more gear and it's lighter. Downside is the chain. I just replaced mine at 5k miles. No problems just wanted to make the change before start of season better safe than sorry. I have heard of problems with people only getting 1-2k out of them.

I ride with 4 other people that use 10 spd and they have not had this problem either. Makes me wonder if it's the mechanic and not the component. Some will say you can just join the chain without the perma link. I won't do it myself. Record der. are pretty pricey and I would hate to snap one just because I "heard" you can do without the permalink.
re: Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spdkey
Jan 11, 2002 8:11 AM
As a current owner of record 9, I love it! But would recommend going with the 10. I got mine in 2000 right when the 10 first came out and I didn't consider it. I just gives you more flexability with gears. So for those of us who want more options its a great way to go.

I also know quite a few people with the record 10 and have never heard any problems, just me wishing I had that extra gear on the long climbs.

cheers
if you are a hard core racer get 9spstr8dum1
Jan 11, 2002 10:13 AM
no neutral support for 10speed. i guess thats fine if you bring pit wheels wherever you go.

its a big pain in the ass on long RR when they have to search for your 10sp wheel when they have a bunch of 9sp neutral support wheels.

otherwise-- get 10sp
re: Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spdmackgoo
Jan 11, 2002 1:26 PM
Every one has answered your question on 10sp VS 9sp. The Ergo's differ only in the shifter ratchet, I forget the technical name. One can pick up a 9sp or 10sp ratchet doo dad for 30$ and make their 9sp a 10 or their 10sp a 9.
re: Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spd - Thanks and additional commentsconorb
Jan 11, 2002 1:52 PM
Thanks for all the great input. I guess the next question to answer for myself is Record or Chorus and I'm leaning heavily towards Chorus.

I've read that there are some replacement chains being manufactured or will be manufactured for the 10spd drivetrain (Sachs,Wippermann maybe) that might alleviate some of the issues around the expense of the Campy chain and would hopefully use a normal chaintool.

Another question: Since I'm currently over 225lbs should I be concerned about stress on the rear hub for either 10 speed or 9 speed? My first reaction is to think that 9 speed would be stronger, but I'm not really sure why. Are the cassettes sizes the same and they just use thinner cogs? If that's the case either hub should be the same strength with thinner steel cogs being not a strong as thicker ones. Although it might be negligible under normal loads.

I'm not racing anymore.

Thanks again.

Conor
re: Campy 9spd vs. Campy 10spd - Thanks and additional commentsmackgoo
Jan 11, 2002 2:42 PM
One thing I forgot to mention. I've been using a fosters link for 4000 miles now no problems with it at all. I got a 10sp chain off E bay for 20$ with out the perma link, got the Super link or what ever it's called for about 10$ and never looked back. When I want to lube my chain I dismantle the link with my hands take off the chain wipe it down lube it put it back on with my hands, oh yeah, I do this in about 5 minutes.
The free hub is basically the same it's the spacers and I would think the cogs may be a little thiner i'm not sure though. www.branfordbike.com has a lot of info you just need to dig some.
Chorus is basically Record with out the look good stuff, but it does sure look good.
Chain optionsgrandemamou
Jan 11, 2002 5:42 PM
I installed a Wipperman chain today. It went on much easier than the Superlink. Almost too easy. My only concern was with longevity. I guess it is an experiment in progess. It shifts fine. Don't know why I'm so hesitant I guess it's because it seems to be too easy. If it works out and people find out I don't think Campy will be selling many chains.
cogs, etcDMoore
Jan 12, 2002 12:29 AM
The nine and ten speed cogs are the same, as are the hub they mount on. The only difference is the spacer that separates the cogs -- the 10 speed spacer is a tiny bit thinner. So strength should be identical. I'd worry more about wheel strength. At your size, I'd get 36 spoke hubs, which may be a little hard to find since 32 holes has become the standard.

Latest I've heard is that there's no Sachs 10 speed chain yet, but the Wipperman 10 speed chain is now listed in the catalog from Excel Sports. Also, there's a 10 speed Superlink available from Lickton's. With that said, I have several thousand miles on two different 10 speed bikes, and have never had the slightest problem with the stock 10 speed chain and the Campy link.