|campagnolo vs. shimano||NewRodie|
Dec 20, 2001 12:34 PM
|How do the campagnolo mirage and shimano tiagra compare? How about campagnolo mirage vs. shimano 105? For someone interested in beginning racing. I really don't know much about the campagnolo line.
|why are you cheaping out??||Rusty McNasty|
Dec 20, 2001 12:48 PM
|If you want to race, you gotta go to at least ultegra/chorus level. Tiagra and mirage are for low-end bikes.|
|why are you cheaping out??||Bernie|
Dec 20, 2001 3:10 PM
|Ultegra / Chorus? There's a bit of a price difference between those two, is there not?|
|You can always get a tiagara bike||Bernie|
Dec 20, 2001 4:47 PM
|There are some nice taiwanese frames out there with tiagara components that are very affordable. Tiagara comes with nine speeds which is nice. And you can always upgrade in the future.|
|what does it matter ?||JuniorRacerFL|
Dec 20, 2001 3:10 PM
|What does it matter? Having Ultegra over 105 isnt barely going to anything for him. Who says you can't race on a low-end bike? May be he doesnt have the money to afford something expensive, jeez.|
|you mean ultegra/centaur...||C-40|
Dec 20, 2001 3:41 PM
|Centaur (previously Daytona) is comparable to ultegra. Chorus is comparable to DuraAce.|
|you mean ultegra/centaur...||dbo|
Dec 20, 2001 6:06 PM
|and Record is also comparable to Dura Ace.|
|OUCH..... the truth hurts..... hahahaha...... nm||CT1|
Dec 23, 2001 5:48 PM
|you mean ultegra/centaur...||mackgoo|
Jan 1, 2002 2:52 PM
|I was going to mention that. In the hotly debated ghiselo article in cycling+ they came as much to saying that Daytona was comparable to Dura Ace.|
|Why not answer the question? (nm)||grzy|
Dec 21, 2001 10:39 AM
|Who said you can't race with Sora, Tiagra, or 105?||I Love Shimano|
Dec 20, 2001 10:29 PM
|Don't believe those poseurs. What matters is the engine. If what you can afford at the time is 105, then go get it. It's better than D/A was a few years ago.
Or, look for a 2nd hand bike.
Dec 21, 2001 7:31 AM
|While this goes against the grain of most of this site, parts is parts. As long as your drivetrain is adjusted right, and the bike fits you, you'll be fine. In fact, for a first race bike, I'd go used, or get new 105 or so. No sense destroying nice, shiny bits learning how to race. |
Every time you think someone beat you in a sprint because their bike is lighter than yours, remember that you'll be stronger for riding a heavy bike. Posing is all well and good, but even at the Pro level, it's not about the bike, it's the rider (and the strategy, and the team support, and the training), but to make a bad example, Lance could win races on a Raleigh R700 with 105. Maybe not by quite as much of a margin as on the Treks, but believe me, he'd still win.
That said, I'd stick with 105 shift/brake levers, because the lower-level stuff uses a different arrangement, and when racing, you don't want to miss a shift because you can't find the lever. The rest of it can be whatever you can afford, though. Tiagra's probably comparable to 105 from a few years ago, and should serve you until you can afford the chi-chi parts.
|re: campagnolo vs. shimano||muncher.|
Dec 21, 2001 8:15 AM
|Racing Triple, Mirage, Daytona, Chorus, Cetuar, Record, 105, Ultegra, Dura-Ace - been beaten by people on all of the above, beaten people on 4 of them too.
Take your pick on what you want/can afford - they are all fine for racing. Tiagra will do you fine for starting out, but I'd probably go with 105 (and stay there for a while) if you can do it.
A good fitting bike is far more important. And if you are buying used, the degree of ware on the parts is more important that the name on it. Similarly, you are going to gain/loose a lot more weight/speed on your frame/wheels/body than the components anyway, unless you get to the really low body fat %age and top light frame/wheels stage real fast, so there's no point in waisting all yor $ on record with a 5lb frame and lead wheels....
All IMHO of course.
|105/Daytona is the value peak of the performance curve||Blair|
Dec 22, 2001 3:30 PM
|105 and Daytona represent very raceable performance for minimal price. After this a lot of the money goes towards improving finish or removing weight.
If you can make this jump great, because you won't have to make upgrades for several years. Upgrades are expensive because you end up buying 2 of the same part.
BTW, shimano is generally cheaper, because of volume discounts.
|it doesn't matter||mclements|
Dec 22, 2001 8:40 PM
|JW got it right.
Personally I think Shimano provides better value for the dollar, but there's nothing wrong with Campagnolo either. It all works when adjusted properly and it makes basically no difference in performance, so take your pick.
|Mirage vs. 105??||Michel|
Dec 27, 2001 6:54 AM
|Spoon or fork? Campy or Shimano? The debate continues! Campy Mirage and Shimano Tiagra are good low-end components. If you wish to begin racing, however, start with either the Shimano 105 or Campagnolo Centaur (previously Daytona) components. Both are excellent entry level components, although the Centaur is the more expensive of the two. The most important decision at this time is for you to concentrate on purchasing a good stiff frame that is custom built to your body specifications. If you should become successful at racing, you can always upgrade the components later.
|Sora vs. Record||Crankist|
Jan 1, 2002 2:16 PM
|Happy New Year|| |